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#26
#26
no, they're working to win ball games, to be better, and zero chance was merely hyperbole to illustrate a point. leave it to you to jump on it like a bulldog. of course they have a chance, but which is more likley? Tennessee wins the NC or USC? can you answer that one for me Rick?
 
#27
#27
You didnt say USC had a better chance than UT to win a NC next season. If you had said that I would not have said anything. It certainly looks like USC has a better chance than UT right now. But there is a long time between now and next season.
 
#28
#28
Im sorry that I assumed you resided in reality. Should I mention that San Jose State has a chance to win the national champioship? Every team has a chance. give me a break. IMO Tennessee chances of actually winning the NC next year? Nil.
 
#29
#29
I'm sorry I thought you resided in reality. San Jose State has no chance at all to win the NC. They could go undefeated and be in the same spot Hawaii is in right now. This is ridiculous. UT actually has a better shot than 'nil' to win the NC. But hey, I am trying to talk reason with someone who said San Jose State has a chance to win a NC.
 
#30
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rexvol said:
Im sorry that I assumed you resided in reality. Should I mention that San Jose State has a chance to win the national champioship? Every team has a chance. give me a break. IMO Tennessee chances of actually winning the NC next year? Nil.
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That's about the odds you gave us going undefeated down the stretch and making the SECCG. Having said that, I'd consider our NC hopes pretty long. I think it takes a truly (I mean TRULY) dominant team to go through the SEC without a loss unless they get some amazing breaks. That means you have to get to the NC with at least one loss. LSU's going with 2. You need a lot of help from the rest of the world to pull that off. The fact we had FL last year and LSU this year in the NC kind of surprised me to be honest.
 
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hndog609 said:
Having said that, I'd consider our NC hopes pretty long. I think it takes a truly (I mean TRULY) dominant team to go through the SEC without a loss unless they get some amazing breaks. That means you have to get to the NC with at least one loss. LSU's going with 2. You need a lot of help from the rest of the world to pull that off. The fact we had FL last year and LSU this year in the NC kind of surprised me to be honest.
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UT isn't as far away as many apparently think.

The O scored over 400 pts this year for the first time since 2001. If Chavis simply returns to his average level of performance then UT's chances of winning the SEC are decent. Any team that can win the SEC will be in the conversation.

IF UT's D had played even as well as they did against LSU all year, they more than likely wouldn't have lost to Cal or Bama... and UF wouldn't have been a blow out. That would have put them in the SEC CG at 11-1... playing LSU for the right to play for the NC.

Rightly or wrongly, the national media has bought into the idea that the SEC is the best conference by a fairly wide margin. IMO, OU is better than LSU right now... but LSU is the SEC champ.

My main point is that all other things being equal (one loss, two losses)... the SEC is finally getting the love they deserved for some time.

It takes an alignment of the stars for the breaks to fall your way... but UT isn't that far away from being good enough to make themselves available for such an alignment.

Before you go off on me, just consider whether you think Chavis' D will stay that bad forcing UT to replace him. If you don't then there's no reason not to expect the program to ascend. Cutcliffe has returned the O to 1990's level point output without having nearly that much talent. As these younger guys develop, it could get really good.
 
#33
#33
It is all about the "W's"...if UT is winning...who cares where they are from?
 
#34
#34
sjt18 said:
UT isn't as far away as many apparently think.

The O scored over 400 pts this year for the first time since 2001. If Chavis simply returns to his average level of performance then UT's chances of winning the SEC are decent. Any team that can win the SEC will be in the conversation.

IF UT's D had played even as well as they did against LSU all year, they more than likely wouldn't have lost to Cal or Bama... and UF wouldn't have been a blow out. That would have put them in the SEC CG at 11-1... playing LSU for the right to play for the NC.

Rightly or wrongly, the national media has bought into the idea that the SEC is the best conference by a fairly wide margin. IMO, OU is better than LSU right now... but LSU is the SEC champ.

My main point is that all other things being equal (one loss, two losses)... the SEC is finally getting the love they deserved for some time.

It takes an alignment of the stars for the breaks to fall your way... but UT isn't that far away from being good enough to make themselves available for such an alignment.

Before you go off on me, just consider whether you think Chavis' D will stay that bad forcing UT to replace him. If you don't then there's no reason not to expect the program to ascend. Cutcliffe has returned the O to 1990's level point output without having nearly that much talent. As these younger guys develop, it could get really good.
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Why would I go off on you, you think this is Rexvol? :) Seriously, I think that was a very lucid post. Things that would help A LOT in having your assessment come to be:

Ben Martin and Gerald Williams come in at DE and become what we all hope they can be.

Vinson completes his transition from WR to CB. Living up to his athletic ability at that position could give us the best CB tandem in the SEC if not the nation.

Gerald Jones stays healthy and at least one other playmaker-type, Paige/O'Neal/Moore/whoever steps up to join Taylor in the starting rotation.

And, of course, we stay healthy as a team. If all this comes to pass, and it's not a crazy idea that it will, we will have a good football team.

(I left out QB since Cut, regardless of what you think of him as OC, knows QB coaching. If there's talent on The Hill at that postion he'll get something out of it)
 
#35
#35
therickbol said:
I'm sorry I thought you resided in reality. San Jose State has no chance at all to win the NC. They could go undefeated and be in the same spot Hawaii is in right now. This is ridiculous. UT actually has a better shot than 'nil' to win the NC. But hey, I am trying to talk reason with someone who said San Jose State has a chance to win a NC.
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that has to be one of the most moronic posts I have ever read. every single team has a "chance" to win the NC at the beginning of the year. that's what I was alluding too. By the way, Hawaii is in a BCS bowl, where are we? Im trying to converse reasonably with someone who has a delusional opinion about the current state of our program.
 
#36
#36
rexvol said:
that has to be one of the most moronic posts I have ever read. every single team has a "chance" to win the NC at the beginning of the year. that's what I was alluding too. By the way, Hawaii is in a BCS bowl, where are we? Im trying to converse reasonably with someone who has a delusional opinion about the current state of our program.
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Hawai'i is undefeated and still not playing for a national championship. So, I think it is safe to say, not every team has a shot to play for the National Title. :)
 
#37
#37
Hawaii's not playing because of their schedule. Im not an idiot (I know Les Miles and you sir, are no Les MIles), I know that realistically, not every Div 1a team has a shot (didnt you notice the "quotes"), but arent they supposed to have an equal chance according to the NCAA.Everybody starts the season undefeated. Now, had Hawaii scheduled a few decent teams and won, wouldnt they be in NO? maybe not since we allow the media such a powerful hand in the process. IMO, OU should be playing OSU.
 
#38
#38
rexvol said:
Hawaii's not playing because of their schedule. Im not an idiot (I know Les Miles and you sir, are no Les MIles), I know that realistically, not every Div 1a team has a shot (didnt you notice the "quotes"), but arent they supposed to have an equal chance according to the NCAA.Everybody starts the season undefeated. Now, had Hawaii scheduled a few decent teams and won, wouldnt they be in NO? maybe not since we allow the media such a powerful hand in the process. IMO, OU should be playing OSU.
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Dont mean to point out a major flaw in your logic, but I must. So what you are saying is that the teams that dont have a tough enough schedule cant play in the NC game? Well, that would contradict your statement that every team starts the season with a chance to win a NC. Which one is it?

This is my last post about this. I will not continue to post back and forth with this nonsense.
 
#39
#39
proof once again that if you cant stand the heat.....

allow me to make the point so clear that even Ray Charles could see it......

each team in college football begins the year undefeated and supposedly with an equal chance to win the national championship. Call Myles Brand and ask him about it. However, the reality is that since the media is so heavily involved, realistically, to be considered you must meet their criteria and that means having a certain strength of schedule, etc. Also, with your little, "this is my last post about this..." you sound very pompous...kind of like Higgins from Magnum P.I. :)

please take a joke Rick, I've always respected your opinion on here so I hope there's no animus between us. Merry Christmas.
 
#40
#40
I meant for it to be the last post but now I must respond.......Merry Christmas!

P.S. "Supposedly" was exactly the right word.
 
#41
#41
rexvol said:
Hawaii's not playing because of their schedule. Im not an idiot (I know Les Miles and you sir, are no Les MIles), I know that realistically, not every Div 1a team has a shot (didnt you notice the "quotes"), but arent they supposed to have an equal chance according to the NCAA.Everybody starts the season undefeated. Now, had Hawaii scheduled a few decent teams and won, wouldnt they be in NO? maybe not since we allow the media such a powerful hand in the process. IMO, OU should be playing OSU.
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Serious question. Do you think that if Hawaii had blown out every team they played (instead of beating Nevada by 2 and going into overtime with LA Tech and San Jose State) they'd be in the NC? I don't know, but their chances would be much better IMO. If you DO play a schedule like that, you have to absolutely smoke everyone on it, which is what most top 10-15 teams in BCS conferences would do.
 
#42
#42
salutethehill said:
Serious question. Do you think that if Hawaii had blown out every team they played (instead of beating Nevada by 2 and going into overtime with LA Tech and San Jose State) they'd be in the NC? I don't know, but their chances would be much better IMO. If you DO play a schedule like that, you have to absolutely smoke everyone on it, which is what most top 10-15 teams in BCS conferences would do.
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Distinct possibility, but most likely no... at a minimum, it would generate a lot more discussion than there is now.

I think there would have to be at least 1-2 quality wins... i.e. wins over teams with a wining record from a BCS conference... for there to be a serious consideration.
 
#43
#43
GJ, That's an excellent point. If these mid major schools want to be in the conversation then they need to schedule at least a mid-pack BCS conference school rather than Washington and two FCS schools... none of which were good enough to have a winning record.
 
#44
#44
Its not that easy. Mid-pack teams have a hard time scheduling the BCS conference teams. Especially Hawaii. No big school will sign a contract in which they go to Hawaii. Its a lose-lose situation for the bigger schools.
 
#45
#45
Didn't say it was easy... just that getting a BCS bid after playing that schedule is absolutely ridiculous. Vandy could have run that schedule with just a little good fortune.
 
#46
#46
therickbol said:
Its not that easy. Mid-pack teams have a hard time scheduling the BCS conference teams. Especially Hawaii. No big school will sign a contract in which they go to Hawaii. Its a lose-lose situation for the bigger schools.
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Alabama learned not to mess with Hawaii
 
#47
#47
good point....if you schedule the cupcakes, you had better beat them the way Florida beat us. IMO had June Jones beat the living crap out of everyone he played and the way the shakeups happened this year, they would have made it to the NC.
 
#48
#48
rexvol said:
good point....if you schedule the cupcakes, you had better beat them the way Florida beat us. IMO had June Jones beat the living crap out of everyone he played and the way the shakeups happened this year, they would have made it to the NC.
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I'm glad you put IMO. Because I do not think you are right. They still would not be playing for a NC. Under the current system, there is no way they will allow a team like Hawaii to play for a NC.
 
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