Glen Stanley is reportedly wanting out of USC

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droski said:

USNews Undergraduate General Engineering Rankings
26 University of Southern California Los Angeles, CA 3.5
64 University of Tennessee Knoxville, TN 2.8

National Universities Rankings
26 University of Southern California
106 University of Tennessee Knoxville, TN

National Universities Rankings - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report


i don't even think it's up for debate frankly.
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Again, you have to see the methodology and understand where they come up with the numbers.

Frankly, I don't put a whole lot of stock in their rankings, but the methodology is as follows:

1.peer perception (25%)
2.retention (20%)
3.faculty resources (20%)
4.student selectivity (15%)
5.financial resources (10%)
6.graduation rate (5%)
7.alumni giving (5%)

Lets face it, just from this conversation we can agree that USC leads in category #1.

I'm not sure about #2, but when I was at UT in engineering 2 out of every three people in my classes disappeared during the first couple semesters.

We can also agree that USC is head and shoulders above UTK in category #3. USC has ~$4 billion and UT just reached $1 billion. Money talks.

I think category #4 based on the data I gave above i s a dead heat.

Do I have to recount data for category #5? USC by at least 4X at a minimum.

Don't know about #6 for sure. I'd say they're probably close.

As for category #7? With a $4 billion dollar endowment its pretty clear that USC is above UTK. And lets face it, people who can afford a private school with a $40,000 yr tuition can afford to give more than those first generation college students going to UTK on the HOPE-type scholarships funded by the lottery.

So the data is NOT about academics persay - Its skewed to be about $$ and perception.

I think its highly debatable, especially if you don't just read things that seem to support your perception.

Remember, I said objective.
 
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you'd have a point if they didn't have 70 other universities ranked in front of you. i'm well aware of the us news and world issues (seeing as how i'm a grad of a school that regurally gets screwed by it), but their methodology isn't THAT bad.
 
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droski said:
you'd have a point if they didn't have 70 other universities ranked in front of you. i'm well aware of the us news and world issues (seeing as how i'm a grad of a school that regurally gets screwed by it), but their methodology isn't THAT bad.
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I'm not saying that USC isn't a good school. But if UT had the $$ that USC does, it would be directly comparable.

But academics aren't significantly different at USC than UTK. I'm a graduate of UT and got my grad degrees at universities ranked higher (much) than UTK. The academic experience at the other, higher ranked institutions wasn't really that much different. The big difference is that when Mommy and Daddy are shelling out $40K a year for tuition, the students are more attentive to their studies. And they're generally more prepared for college in general.


UTK is top 50 in public U's and trying to get to top 25. As for the over all college rankings (engineering for example), recall I said programs not the college itself. Not all programs in the respective colleges are the same. For example, compare the Nuclear Engineering program at UTK with the Industrial Engineering program.

Apples to apples. But anyway, I yield -I have other things to do. We've high-jacked the thread and that wasn't my intent.
 
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allvol17 said:
I'm not saying that USC isn't a good school. But if UT had the $$ that USC does, it would be directly comparable.

But academics aren't significantly different at USC than UTK. I'm a graduate of UT and got my grad degrees at universities ranked higher (much) than UTK. The academic experience at the other, higher ranked institutions wasn't really that much different. The big difference is that when Mommy and Daddy are shelling out $40K a year for tuition, the students are more attentive to their studies. And they're generally more prepared for college in general.


UTK is top 50 in public U's and trying to get to top 25. As for the over all college rankings (engineering for example), recall I said programs not the college itself. Not all programs in the respective colleges are the same. For example, compare the Nuclear Engineering program at UTK with the Industrial Engineering program.

Apples to apples. But anyway, I yield -I have other things to do. We've high-jacked the thread and that wasn't my intent.
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By the by, UCLA is ranked above USC in the USN&WR right?
 
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I'm a VOL Alum, and I will be the first to say USC is a much better school academically than UT. UT has a handful of programs that boost the quality of the school. But USC is a top 30 school academically year in year out. I would say only Vandy is better in the SEC and maybe, maybe Florida is in the ball park. The SEC is an athletic conference first - academics second. If a friend or family member had an academic scholarship to an SEC school (vandy excluded) and to a PAC 10 school...10 out of 10 times I'd encourage them to go west.

That being said - I donlt even remotely understand the extra math class requirement that the SEC insists on transfers taking when the Pac 10 and Big 10, comprised of schools with higher academic standards do not require it. Why pretend its important?
 
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droski said:
I 100% guarantee you that USC has higher academic standards than all but a few SEC teams. hell i know for a fact they are higher than every pac-10 team, but stanford, cal, or ucla. carroll actually had a pretty good graduation rate there too. that isn't to say that they don't let in idiots like the rest of the country, but they definetly do turn down top players who are idiots. burfict (currently at ASU and on many preseason all american lists) is an example of this.
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UF, Vandy, UGA, Auburn, Alabama, UT, South Carolina, LSU, UK, Arkansas...all ranked higher academically than USC, according to the US News and World Report.
 
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TennesseePride said:
UT is #106.. Ouch
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In the age of the internet, the ranking of colleges is really negligible. A kid at Dade County J.C. can peruse the internet for anything and eveything (even legitimate MIT and Harvard courses), free of charge, and come away with the same amount of knowledge. It's all about effort.
 
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TennesseePride said:
UT is #106.. Ouch
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Pretty mediocre. Budget cuts have caused that to go down for the last few years. Still, UT has some excellent programs and someone would be extremely foolish to choose a university based only on overall rankings that are based on money and perception without looking to see how their particular major stacks up against the competition. For example, you can get a top ten rated nuclear engineering degree at UT.

All of this is beside the point though. The reason the guy can't go to UT is a math course that SEC schools require. In general, if the guy could get into USC then he could get into UT. The quality of students admitted is very comparable statistically although UT cannot and will not be called a better overall academic institution until it improves lagging programs and raises significantly more money through donors, research grants, etc.

USC is in a different league when it comes to money and academic respect. Respect will come with a greater emphasis on academics and research. When was the last time you heard on national news the phrase "Scientists at the University of Tennessee have..."?
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VolAlumNGatrland said:
The SEC is an athletic conference first - academics second. If a friend or family member had an academic scholarship to an SEC school (vandy excluded) and to a PAC 10 school...10 out of 10 times I'd encourage them to go west
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That is quite a generalization you are making. Excluding the California schools, which are academically great, what would make you tell a friend or family member to go be a Duck or a Beaver, a Sun Devil or Wildcat, or to go to a Washington school over being a Vol, a Gator, a Bammer or a Bulldog every single time? The programs of interest could easily be better at the SEC schools, which are also not out of the discussion when you compare the overall rankings.
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UW is a VERY good school. arizona is a pretty good school too. the laggards are ASU, OSU, WSU.
 
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droski said:
UW is a VERY good school. arizona is a pretty good school too. the laggards are ASU, OSU, WSU.
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UW is still comparable to UF in rankings. Georgia is ahead of Arizona and UT is right behind if we are using US News rankings. That is all I was trying to say. It isn't so simple.
 
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Vol423 said:
Let me make sure that I've got this right. You're trying to say that he was admitted to USC, but he doesn't have the academics to be admitted to UT? :eek:k:
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He's talking about SEC requirements for JUCO transfers.
 
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allvol17 said:
I'm not saying that USC isn't a good school. But if UT had the $$ that USC does, it would be directly comparable.
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Isn't that the case with almost every school though? I mean, if Ole Miss had Harvard's endowment, they'd probably be a much better school academically than they currently are.

Also woot, number 12! :)


Apples to apples. But anyway, I yield -I have other things to do. We've high-jacked the thread and that wasn't my intent.
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honestly keep going you guys, this is rather interesting
 
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allvol17 said:
The big difference is that when Mommy and Daddy are shelling out $40K a year for tuition, the students are more attentive to their studies. And they're generally more prepared for college in general
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I can't say that's always true. I know plenty of people who that doesn't turn out that way in the end....and plenty more who are riding on deep family money that they really don't have to do squat

but I feel you find those at almost all universities no?
 
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MDBJJC said:
UF, Vandy, UGA, Auburn, Alabama, UT, South Carolina, LSU, UK, Arkansas...all ranked higher academically than USC, according to the US News and World Report.
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CardassianVol said:
UW is still comparable to UF in rankings. Georgia is ahead of Arizona and UT is right behind if we are using US News rankings. That is all I was trying to say. It isn't so simple.
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Does anyone makes it that simple when they look at these things? This is just for a general comparison in this case; each school will still have it's specialties and some will be better than others in certain areas...others will have better academic opportunities in certain fields


edit: I just saw your initial reply to the guy who pretty much made a (area of the country) sports level relates to academics level. I think I see a bit better where you're coming from now
 
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Stanley received his release today from USC. Anyone know where he may end up?
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HonoluluVol said:
Stanley received his release today from USC. Anyone know where he may end up?
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I'd guess FSU if they want him. Otherwise, I think it would be UCF, where he was originally committed before UT and USC offered him.
 
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