GM plant shutdowns

[VolFaninFla]

GM shutting down production at most of its plants in North America - CNN

Not good news.

 

[davethevol]

Yeah, this is actually pretty alarming and another reason we have got to start manufacturing chips and all of our medicines here.0

 

[VolNExile]

The Subaru plant in Indiana notified our sales guy yesterday that delivery of our car (ordered July 7 has now been pushed back to October. Definitely getting nervous.

 

[vollygirl]

Yeah, this is actually pretty alarming and another reason we have got to start manufacturing chips and all of our medicines here.0

You know US consumers don't want to pay for that. Everybody knows it. Otherwise we'd already have the jobs here.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

You know US consumers don't want to pay for that. Everybody knows it. Otherwise we'd already have the jobs here.

There’s that. And then there’s administrations that won’t put tariffs and embargoes on products from countries that deny basic human and workers rights, and that pollute the environment and steal our intellectual property with impunity.

 

[davethevol]

You know US consumers don't want to pay for that. Everybody knows it. Otherwise we'd already have the jobs here.

We need do it regardless of what the consumer thinks. It’s a matter of national security. China already threatened withholding medicine last year.

 

[vollygirl]

We need do it regardless of what the consumer thinks. It’s a matter of national security. China already threatened withholding medicine last year.

I don't disagree with this. But people care more about money than anything else. The examples are everywhere.

 

[davethevol]

I don't disagree with this. But people care more about money than anything else. The examples are everywhere.

Oh no, I agree. We’ve got to prepare for the future before China cripples us.

 

[VolNExile]

I don't disagree with this. But people care more about money than anything else. The examples are everywhere.

And I don’t completely disagree with THIS. But maybe many people have learned a little lesson over the last two years about the difference between (lowest) cost and value.

If you’re dirt poor, you’re generally going to have to go with the cheapest you can find. But for most of the rest of us, there’s such a thing as cutting back on endless purchases of Stuff and instead spending a bit more on things that are actually worth paying for.

If nothing else, when our families have to sort through our possessions when we die, their task will be easier!

 

[VolNExile]

Oh no, I agree. We’ve got to prepare for the future before China cripples us.

I watched as Kmart came into town, sold everything dirt cheap and put local stores out of business, and then raised its prices once the competition was done for. Then I watched as Walmart came into town, underpriced Kmart and put IT out of business, and then raised its prices.

At some point, we need to support our neighbors, all across the country, with our wallets. As long as our only consideration is monetary cost, we’re ripe for sellers to addict us with their low (introductory) prices. And then we’re hooked/ they’ve got us on their hook.

 

[vollygirl]

I watched as Kmart came into town, sold everything dirt cheap and put local stores out of business, and then raised its prices once the competition was done for. Then I watched as Walmart came into town, underpriced Kmart and put IT out of business, and then raised its prices.

At some point, we need to support our neighbors, all across the country, with our wallets. As long as our only consideration is monetary cost, we’re ripe for sellers to addict us with their low (introductory) prices. And then we’re hooked/ they’ve got us on their hook.

Where's the money? I'm talking about the ones making the money, not just the ones spending it.

 

[VolNExile]

Where's the money? I'm talking about the ones making the money, not just the ones spending it.

I would say it’s in the hands of the relatively few who have so skillfully cornered the market. We consumers just keep feeding them.

 

[Go aeiou]

The Subaru plant in Indiana notified our sales guy yesterday that delivery of our car (ordered July 7 has now been pushed back to October. Definitely getting nervous.

21 or 22? Which Suburu.?

 

[YankeeVol]

We already have a new vehicle shortage. At least my '22 Camaro is built

 

[VolStrom]

I watched as Kmart came into town, sold everything dirt cheap and put local stores out of business, and then raised its prices once the competition was done for. Then I watched as Walmart came into town, underpriced Kmart and put IT out of business, and then raised its prices.

At some point, we need to support our neighbors, all across the country, with our wallets. As long as our only consideration is monetary cost, we’re ripe for sellers to addict us with their low (introductory) prices. And then we’re hooked/ they’ve got us on their hook.

I'm sorry, but Kmart wasn't put out of business by Walmart, it was put out of business by its own stupid management. Have you noticed how Amazon didn't put Walmart out of business? Walmart is fighting back and doing a damn good job in my opinion of leveraging their stores to help out in the online delivery arena. I have pretty much stopped buying a lot of stuff from Amazon and went to Walmart because, A) Walmart is cheaper and B) Walmart delivers more quickly. Amazon used to guarantee 2 day delivery on things eligible for prime shipping and now everything I get from them is usually 3 or 4 days out to a week with the sporadic next day delivery.

 

[Tin Man]

TSMC is building a chip manufacturing facility in the US. It will be awhile before it is online.

 

[VolNExile]

I'm sorry, but Kmart wasn't put out of business by Walmart, it was put out of business by its own stupid management. Have you noticed how Amazon didn't put Walmart out of business? Walmart is fighting back and doing a damn good job in my opinion of leveraging their stores to help out in the online delivery arena. I have pretty much stopped buying a lot of stuff from Amazon and went to Walmart because, A) Walmart is cheaper and B) Walmart delivers more quickly. Amazon used to guarantee 2 day delivery on things eligible for prime shipping and now everything I get from them is usually 3 or 4 days out to a week with the sporadic next day delivery.

I was speaking of a specific Kmart in a specific part of a town where I used to live.

It’s a business tactic, used with variable success at the individual store level.

 

[VolNExile]

21 or 22? Which Suburu.?

22 Outback Limited XT. The XT (turbo) is pretty much the same as the regular Touring, but better engine IMO and cheaper. (Not that it’s cheap.)

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

I would say it’s in the hands of the relatively few who have so skillfully cornered the market. We consumers just keep feeding them.

and our government. big tech spent a few hundred million to get one party control of the federal government and now that government is printing billions, maybe trillions, to build out high speed fiber to every nook and cranny of America, which will of course mean more customer access and eventually less competition for big tech. if you're a tech oligarch, that beats the hell out of spending your own billions to push out high speed internet access to the hinterlands.

 

[VolNExile]

22 Outback Limited XT. The XT (turbo) is pretty much the same as the regular Touring, but better engine IMO and cheaper. (Not that it’s cheap.)

PS - for those preparing to point out the obvious contradiction between what I wrote above about supporting our neighbors’ businesses vs waiting on the Sube , if there were a US-made vehicle that met our needs, we would have been happy to order that. But it would be nice to be able to buy a US-made shirt using US-woven fabric (that actually fits US bodies, as opposed to itty bitty bodies) and whatnot.

And let’s not forget that although part of off-shoring was due to consumers buying cheap, a HUGE factor was management wanting to maximize net profits in order to keep shareholders happy and even more, for their C-suite to take home more $$$ in the form of company stock incentives, bonuses, and so forth. These decisions to offshore weren’t made surrounded by damp Kleenexes from weeping over lost US blue collar jobs.

 

[VolNExile]

and our government. big tech spent a few hundred million to get one party control of the federal government and now that government is printing billions, maybe trillions, to build out high speed fiber to every nook and cranny of America, which will of course mean more customer access and eventually less competition for big tech. if you're a tech oligarch, that beats the hell out of spending your own billions to push out high speed internet access to the hinterlands.

Both parties, at their upper echelons, have benefited from this cozy entanglement.

 

[Go aeiou]

PS - for those preparing to point out the obvious contradiction between what I wrote above about supporting our neighbors’ businesses vs waiting on the Sube , if there were a US-made vehicle that met our needs, we would have been happy to order that. But it would be nice to be able to buy a US-made shirt using US-woven fabric (that actually fits US bodies, as opposed to itty bitty bodies) and whatnot.

And let’s not forget that although part of off-shoring was due to consumers buying cheap, a HUGE factor was management wanting to maximize net profits in order to keep shareholders happy and even more, for their C-suite to take home more $$$ in the form of company stock incentives, bonuses, and so forth. These decisions to offshore weren’t made surrounded by damp Kleenexes from weeping over lost US blue collar jobs.

Asheville is the perfect environment for an awd vehicle. My sister and her family live in Weaverville, and have a Outback and a forester. We are looking at the limited. I need to see the seat material before considering the XT.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

PS - for those preparing to point out the obvious contradiction between what I wrote above about supporting our neighbors’ businesses vs waiting on the Sube , if there were a US-made vehicle that met our needs, we would have been happy to order that. But it would be nice to be able to buy a US-made shirt using US-woven fabric (that actually fits US bodies, as opposed to itty bitty bodies) and whatnot.

And let’s not forget that although part of off-shoring was due to consumers buying cheap, a HUGE factor was management wanting to maximize net profits in order to keep shareholders happy and even more, for their C-suite to take home more $$$ in the form of company stock incentives, bonuses, and so forth. These decisions to offshore weren’t made surrounded by damp Kleenexes from weeping over lost US blue collar jobs.

Filson

 

[VolNExile]

Asheville is the perfect environment for an awd vehicle. My sister and her family live in Weaverville, and have a Outback and a forester. We are looking at the limited. I need to see the seat material before considering the XT.

I like the ventilated leather. But I can see that people who get muddy (and people with dogs that get muddy) might pause at the issue of cleaning upholstery with tiny holes. I think if I liked a car enough (any car) but was worried about that, I’d invest in seat covers.

The XT is great on the twisty, hilly roads around here. No comparison between it and the regular motor.

Once you get up to that trim level, all the packages and crap that plague car buying are no longer an issue. We ordered the CD player (read: boomers) and the floor liners for the cargo area, and that was it. The XT comes with the moon roof (big whoop, but Hubs likes it).

Perhaps one day it will be in our driveway! (no garage/carport)

 

[VolNExile]

Filson

Granted, I live in Asheville, but in fact there are women (cis and trans) here that don’t live in plaid flannel shirts. Especially $135 plaid flannel shirts.