Go ahead and put this loss on Coach Martin...

#26
#26
BigOrangeArsenal said:
How are u SOL?! Your gambling roughly 20 secs of game time for -2 points! There's still time on the clock and it's a lot easier to score 2 then 3 with the clock winding down... Plus you could have a chance to actually WIN the game!
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If UGA makes the shot you are either 3 or 4 points down with less than 5 seconds to go.

That is pretty SOL to me.
 
#27
#27
BigOrangeArsenal said:
ABSOLUTELY no need to intentionally foul UGA with 26 secs left! We just needed to buckle down on D, then rebound... We would have had 6 seconds to win the game (only down by 1 with a Georgia miss)! :blink:
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the announcer was saying the same thing stupidest thing ive heard an announcer say. he kept saying they shouldnt foul they'll have 6 seconds left. it was actually about 3.8 seconds left just under 4, this is not enough time to play D. if im the pg and they arent gonna foul when that shot clock is at 1 im reaching back and LAUNCHING that ball directly up in the air towards out of bounds. by the time that ball comes down and HITS the floor game over.
 
#28
#28
Martin is trying to use defense to win. How many points did we have off turnovers compared to UGA?
 
#29
#29
UT IE 95 said:
Martin is trying to use defense to win. How many points did we have off turnovers compared to UGA?
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i dont know about us. i know they had 27 points off turnovers and ft's, out of their 57 total points thats horrible. we pretty much gave them half their points when we were playing offense. instead of scoring on offense we're giving them points figure that one out.
 
#30
#30
BigOrangeArsenal said:
ABSOLUTELY no need to intentionally foul UGA with 26 secs left! We just needed to buckle down on D, then rebound... We would have had 6 seconds to win the game (only down by 1 with a Georgia miss)! :blink:
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Right. 20 turnovers and the loss is on Martin.
We need some guards.
 
#33
#33
BigOrangeArsenal said:
Missing the point smart guy... 6, or even 4 seconds, WITH A TIMEOUT is forever in basketball!!!
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To foul was the right decision. Any coach with any idea what he is doing knows that if you are trailing late you have to make the game as long as possible to have a chance. The only way to extend the game is to send them to the free throw line.
 
#35
#35
I said it once and it seems to have gone largely ignored by those wanting to blame Martin.

20 TOs and 7-14 from the line.

Martin could be blamed for a couple of losses this season, but this was not one. Hit one more FT in regulation and its a moot point.
 
#36
#36
cncchris33 said:
I said it once and it seems to have gone largely ignored by those wanting to blame Martin.

20 TOs and 7-14 from the line.

Martin could be blamed for a couple of losses this season, but this was not one. Hit one more FT in regulation and its a moot point.
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Of course players play the game, but it's the coaches job to give them their best chance.

--Creating a play for Trae to go left isn't giving us the best chance
--Playing Hall in crunch time doesn't give the team the best shot to win, especially in a game like last night.
--Putting Stokes at the key to set picks, while Hall posts up on the block doesn't give us the best shot to win.


UT would have more W's if some adjustments were made, late game play calls adjusted and bad combinations on the floor were taken off the court. Trae taking it at the end isn't working and the team on the floor at the end with Hall in the game has a losing record. Cam and Hall on the floor at crunch time is a bad deal. They have too many mental lapses, and crunch time should be the height of your intensity. They both had multiple lazy plays in the last few minutes and it happens every game.
 
#37
#37
pl3 said:
Of course players play the game, but it's the coaches job to give them their best chance.

--Creating a play for Trae to go left isn't giving us the best chance
--Playing Hall in crunch time doesn't give the team the best shot to win, especially in a game like last night.
--Putting Stokes at the key to set picks, while Hall posts up on the block doesn't give us the best shot to win.


UT would have more W's if some adjustments were made, late game play calls adjusted and bad combinations on the floor were taken off the court. Trae taking it at the end isn't working and the team on the floor at the end with Hall in the game has a losing record. Cam and Hall on the floor at crunch time is a bad deal. They have too many mental lapses, and crunch time should be the height of your intensity. They both had multiple lazy plays in the last few minutes and it happens every game.
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I don't disagree with anything you are saying, and I have been one of CCM's harshest critics for lack of adjustments, lineup faux pas, substitution patterns, etc. I also stated that CCM can be blamed for a couple other losses this season. I just think its absolutely ludicrous to blame the coach for a playcall at the end of a game in which the players committed 20 TOs and shot 50% from the FT line. It never should have come down to him making a call at the end to win. The game should have been over long before then. Does that not seem silly to you if you step back and think objectively about the game as a whole? We had numerous occasions to put that game away and we didn't do it.
 
#38
#38
cncchris33 said:
I don't disagree with anything you are saying, and I have been one of CCM's harshest critics for lack of adjustments, lineup faux pas, substitution patterns, etc. I also stated that CCM can be blamed for a couple other losses this season. I just think its absolutely ludicrous to blame the coach for a playcall at the end of a game in which the players committed 20 TOs and shot 50% from the FT line. It never should have come down to him making a call at the end to win. The game should have been over long before then. Does that not seem silly to you if you step back and think objectively about the game as a whole? We had numerous occasions to put that game away and we didn't do it.
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I don't disagree. I don't think I have said that the last play call cost us the game. If I did, I didn't mean it that way.
Like you said, it shouldn't come down to that. However, it often does, and you have to have a better play (at least go to Trae's strength) and get the half-ass-looseball attempt players off the court. 50/50 balls are always huge, but especially late. On a race for 50/50, who wins? Hall/Cam or any other possible combination. Rhetorical question. That combo watches the ball, doesn't rotate, and stands still more than any players I recall. CM has to be frustrated that he has to say "Get the ball!" like he's coaching 9 yr olds.
 
#39
#39
pl3 said:
I don't disagree. I don't think I have said that the last play call cost us the game. If I did, I didn't mean it that way.
Like you said, it shouldn't come down to that. However, it often does, and you have to have a better play (at least go to Trae's strength) and get the half-ass-looseball attempt players off the court. 50/50 balls are always huge, but especially late. On a race for 50/50, who wins? Hall/Cam or any other possible combination. Rhetorical question. That combo watches the ball, doesn't rotate, and stands still more than any players I recall. CM has to be frustrated that he has to say "Get the ball!" like he's coaching 9 yr olds.
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I agree.
 
#40
#40
cncchris33 said:
I said it once and it seems to have gone largely ignored by those wanting to blame Martin.

20 TOs and 7-14 from the line.

Martin could be blamed for a couple of losses this season, but this was not one. Hit one more FT in regulation and its a moot point.
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Those numbers combined with 27 of their 57 points come from our turnovers and fouling them. We handed them 27 points, how freaking horrible. We score half their point almost for them.
 
#41
#41
cncchris33 said:
I don't disagree with anything you are saying, and I have been one of CCM's harshest critics for lack of adjustments, lineup faux pas, substitution patterns, etc. I also stated that CCM can be blamed for a couple other losses this season. I just think its absolutely ludicrous to blame the coach for a playcall at the end of a game in which the players committed 20 TOs and shot 50% from the FT line. It never should have come down to him making a call at the end to win. The game should have been over long before then. Does that not seem silly to you if you step back and think objectively about the game as a whole? We had numerous occasions to put that game away and we didn't do it.
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We have had the same scenario multiple times this year with the same outcome so to whom belongs the blame. We have had more than our share of "moral victories" and its past time for the coach to take the blame. As long as a team hangs close we get beaten at the end of the game.
 
#43
#43
Chris4Vols22 said:
C'mon, knowthevols. You're a better poster than most give you credit for, but this is out of line. You know Craft didn't cheat and subsequently lie about cheating.
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Chris if you had spent as many years as I, playing the "we'll getem next year game" you would understand the frustration.
 
#45
#45
BigOrangeArsenal said:
ABSOLUTELY no need to intentionally foul UGA with 26 secs left! We just needed to buckle down on D, then rebound... We would have had 6 seconds to win the game (only down by 1 with a Georgia miss)! :blink:
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Actually there was a little over 4 seconds left if they ran the clock down. With our offensive woes, he did exactly as he should have in that situation.
 
#46
#46
I think we had to foul. Georgia could have waited till shot clock ran down and then shot. You have to account for the time ball is in the air--and you are NOT assured of getting the rebound! No rebound, no chance to tie or win. And even with a miss and a rebound, you've got very little time.
 
#47
#47
armchair said:
I think we had to foul. Georgia could have waited till shot clock ran down and then shot. You have to account for the time ball is in the air--and you are NOT assured of getting the rebound! No rebound, no chance to tie or win. And even with a miss and a rebound, you've got very little time.
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exactly. the dumb A announcer was saying they dont need to foul there will be 6 seconds left, he apparently cant do math it was 4. even with 6 seconds if you wind it all the way down and launch a shot, your looking at atleast 2/3 seconds in the air, it hitting the rim and being in the air another 1/2 seconds, this leaves you no time at all. i was actually surprised that we didnt foul immediately and try to stretch out the game, we waiting about 5 to 6 seconds if i remember right.
 
#49
#49
seriously it was smart to foul...georgia had gotten to offensive boards in a row and whos to say the wouldnt have ended up scoring...better extend the game and make them knock down the ft's instead of risk losing the rebound or them scoring and having zero chance
 
#50
#50
goodtobegoad said:
seriously it was smart to foul...georgia had gotten to offensive boards in a row and whos to say the wouldnt have ended up scoring...better extend the game and make them knock down the ft's instead of risk losing the rebound or them scoring and having zero chance
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the only thing i would have preferred to have seen would have been to foul immediately and try for quick 2's. teams back off they dont want to contend and risk a foul, you can completely drag a game out this way.
 
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