God Bless Ron Paul!

[BigPapaVol]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying guys like Paul and Barr are advocating anarchy. I'm just saying libertarianism, in its purest form, borders on it.

I'm a fan of Ron Paul.

In its purest form, it is anarchy.
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[gsvol]

Oh I don't know, things he's advocated at various times such as eliminating: the Department of Education, the FBI, CIA, Homeland Security, the IRS and numerous other agencies.

While he makes good points, clearly dismantling so much of the government simply would not occur - good in theory; problematic in practice (which by the way is my main beef with true Libertarianism)

Anyone who has the least understanding of the federal reserve system should demand we go back to a constitutional form of money supply, our founding fathers understood the evils of central banking quite well and were against it. Andrew Jackson paid off the national debt in three years after he defeated the central bank of his time.

Paul has mustered 274 co-sponsors for his HR1207 bill to call for an audit of the Fed, if that happens there will be a lot more people calling for repeal of the federal reserve act.

The IRS exists solely to collect taxes to pay interest to the fed, interest we shouldn't have to pay to begin with, without the fed there is no need for the IRS.

Name the first accomplishment of Jimmy Carter's department of education other than dumbing down a generation.

We existed quite well for over two hundred years without a Homeland Security and in it's only major action was a miserable failure.

Personally I think we need the FBI, I don't like that it is politically controlled by Justice.

The CIA can take a flying hike as far as I'm concerned, if it was abolished maybe some of it's people could do contract work for the DIA.

The CIA has been particullary useless since Carter was able to give congress part control of it and gave congress access to secrets, like we can trust some of those congressmen to not use the info for political purposes.


Numerous other agencies??

A fellow that used to live on Senator's Row just down the street from Robert Kennedy etc etc, told me over thirty years ago that if you set out to visit all federal agencies in Washington and spent fifteen minutes in each office and worked an eight hour day and a forty hour week, that it would take you over five years to complete the task.

There is so much duplication of effort that it's worse than ridiculous, it's insane.

We would be in no danger of anarchy if we cut half the federal agencies.

 

[OrangeYankee]

Does Paul have a site that specifically lists all his objectives? I would love to do some more reading on this guy.
Edit: Ha to answer my own question I googled and found a couple that seem to be real promising (for any others interested): www.campaignforliberty.com and www.ronpaul.com

Secondly, I really think this is what we need as a country is for ANYONE to stand up and really start taking whacks at this ridiculous sized Government. The IRS is nothing more than a political blackmail machine... mess with us? We'll audit you into the ground. The Fed has way way too much power, and honestly is just a way for us to put our great grandchildren into debt over their heads. All the regulatory boards that are run by unelected activists. In my mind, in this modern age Government should be charged with two things: Defense (Military, FBI nationally Police and Fire locally) and Infrastructure (Roads, Utilities Grid,). I would give a little on more than that, but I believe if someone comes out with something that low, that means some difference may actually be made.

 

[gsvol]

Ron Paul would have been MUCH better than McCain. Sadly, I passed on him in 08 because I bought into the negative hype and voted for Mit. But, after it was too late, I did some research and just dig the guy. I fully plan on supporting him as far as he can go (hopefully R nominee) in 2012, but at the end of the day I unfortunately will just have to vote the opposite ticket as Obama for fear of my lost vote will keep him in office. I honestly think we need to have a 3rd and 4th slot on the national scene's ballot, but I just don't see that happening anytime soon.

I couldn't vote for Romney because he pushed through mandatory health insurance in Massachusetts, guess which state now has the highest health insurance rates in the country, hint, it ain't Alaska.

Comparing Adolph Hitler and Benito Obama.

Obama has already suspended habeas corpus by claiming the right of indefinite detainment of potential terrorists without charges.

This occurred very shortly after his Department of Homeland Security issued two reports labeling supporters of Ron Paul, certain amendments of the Constitution, devolution of Federal power to the states, or Pro-Life beliefs as potential terrorists.

(Be sure to read what John Holdren, Obama's science czar has written about population control, you couldn't make this up.)

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”
—Adolf Hitler

"You are the instruments that God is going to use to bring about universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth. And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn't care anything about. That's a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear, and the Messiah is absolutely speaking.”
Louis Farrakhan

(And buddy let me tell you, that ain't the Christian Messiah he's talking about.)

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Someone once told me true libertarianism borders on anarchy. That's not totally inaccurate.

It's totally inaccurate. The gov't has it's role... one of those roles is protecting citizens from having life/liberty/property threatened by criminals (law enforcement) or foreign enemies (military). If the gov't just sticks to it's core responsibilities, then you will not have to worry about anarchy and lawlessness.

Sounds as though most of the libertarian critics would err on the side of tyranny vs libertarianism.

Oh, one last thing... You have people like Bill Maher and hatvol that wave the libertarian flag. But in reality, they are "libertines"... and not "libertarians".

 

[OrangeYankee]

That was kind of the point of my post. I went into the primaries mainly based off of hear say, and I knew McCain was a dud (sorry being wishy washy/moderate is not the answer in my books). Looking back, the whole "Oh Ron Paul is crazy" was a huge mistake. It's not that we need to go to the middle, it's we need to be honest with ourselves and see that both parties are messed up and we need some fresh thinking.

And yes Obama's Czars and their crazy musings should scare the hell out of anyone that has any love for freedom.

 

[gsvol]

That was kind of the point of my post. I went into the primaries mainly based off of hear say, and I knew McCain was a dud (sorry being wishy washy/moderate is not the answer in my books). Looking back, the whole "Oh Ron Paul is crazy" was a huge mistake. It's not that we need to go to the middle, it's we need to be honest with ourselves and see that both parties are messed up and we need some fresh thinking.

And yes Obama's Czars and their crazy musings should scare the hell out of anyone that has any love for freedom.

Agree McCain is, and always has been a dud.

Where crazy musings and reality come together.