Golden vs Barton

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Has anybody been keeping up with Golden lately?

I'm just wondering if Barton really helped out this position or are we under achieving at this point?
 
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Golden is playing ok for them. He had a game winner a couple of weeks ago, iirc. But he still has trouble keeping his man in front, and isn't a very good passer.

As for Barton, I don't expect 20 shots per game. But I feel like he would be playing better and contributing more if he wasn't handcuffed to a halfcourt grind it out style. But he had plenty of time to evaluate CCM's style b4 he signed.
 
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I just wish our guys wouldn't shoot like this from the free throw line....

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Dougie_D said:
Has anybody been keeping up with Golden lately?

I'm just wondering if Barton really helped out this position or are we under achieving at this point?
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We could use a lot more from Barton, but not sure what CM wants out of the pg position. A few random thoughts::
-Trae would get a pick up top with the shot clock running down and could score going to his right on it at times. Problem is that usually came as we stood around for 30 seconds. We don't run picks at Barton or he gives it to McRae to make a play.
-Barton hasn't missed any big ones yet but I liked Trae at the line late in games if it mattered. Barton has looked better recently but scares me there.
-ballhandling from pg is better as we expected
-passing to the post is much better. Barton does this really well and DT sees great angles on many passes.
-Barton has played some good D. Seems like we are keeping opposing pg's from taking over games by penetration in one on one battles. They have to pick Barton, whereas they would just clearout against Trae.

I was too hard on Trae last year and still don't like that he would mentally check out too often, which is a peeve. I don't see Barton's effort or focus lapse near as much, but neither of them are sure what their coach wanted/wants them to do and it affects their play. CM says Stokes needs to tell his pg to run, inferring he has told Barton to run and he won't. Yet when Barton does run and makes an error, he's yanked. Too much confusion and miscommunication. Reese had to go to CM and ask what to do. Now Stokes needs to go tell Barton he likes to run.
 
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Golden this year:
13.5ppg
2.7rpg
3.3apg
42percent fg
Turnovers 2.6
28percent from 3
A/T 1.3


Barton:
8.4ppg
2.4rpg
1.9apg
44percent fg
0.9 turnovers pg
40percent from 3
A/T 2.0

Yikes. This team misses Golden
 
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I disagree. 5 pts means nothing if you give up 6 or easy buckets via penetration on the other end. Interested to know what the turnovers would be, as Trae has the ball in his hand a bit more.
Would've seen the expected upgrade had CM let his team run as he mentioned this summer. He often spoke of Barton being able to get out and run being a difference, and it should have. Trae was too heavy-legged to keep up the pace.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You intentionally leave off 3pt% and a:to, or just have a mental lapse?
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Actually I just did a quick search on espn and it didn't list the 3pt percentage. But the fact remains this team doesn't need more 3 point shooters. We already jack up more than enough 3s. We need a distributer, which Golden is much better at. Sorry but a point guard who doesnt average at least 2apg? Not good enough.

Ill go look up the 3pt percentage and edit my post if that will make you feel better...
 
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Golden was much better. Barton is probably a better pure shooter, but Trae was a playmaker, even if he was out of position.

Pure speculation, but I really think he would've had a big year if he'd been around this year. VN was way too hard on the guy.
 
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ejvols4 said:
Golden was much better. Barton is probably a better pure shooter, but Trae was a playmaker, even if he was out of position.

Pure speculation, but I really think he would've had a big year if he'd been around this year. VN was way too hard on the guy.
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Trae was a playmaker because he had to be a playmaker. With this team this year I don't think he would average as much and would constantly get blown by on defense. I like what Trae brought to the team but saying Trae is much better is a stretch. I don't look at points with a point guard. You look at assist to turnover ratio and defense IMO.
 
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Kusotate said:
I'm sure Trae has logged more minutes than Barton.
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And different offenses. Different jobs to do...
If I would've thought we would've been playing the halfcourt game again, I would've wanted Trae back and not Barton.
It was my understanding Barton was coming here to get up and down the court so our long, athletic wings could attack the rim and Stokes could sit there and clean up the mess or get easy buckets from quick penetration. I saw Jrich, Mcrae, Moore, Edwards, Hubbs, Barton and Thompson getting up and down the court and playing to their strengths.
Obviously, I misunderstood.
 
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SJAVol32 said:
120 more minutes. But we've played in more games with large leads as well.
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perfectly understandable but Trae is GT's leading score plus he has to run their offense which is going to lead to a higher ATO ratio. Barton is listed as a PG but we all know that he isn't, if Barton brings the ball up the court his task is to get the ball to Mcrae or Stokes and wait for the open shot.
 
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SJAVol32 said:
Trae was a playmaker because he had to be a playmaker. With this team this year I don't think he would average as much and would constantly get blown by on defense. I like what Trae brought to the team but saying Trae is much better is a stretch. I don't look at points with a point guard. You look at assist to turnover ratio and defense IMO.
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My assumption was that with another year under Martin he'd improve defensively. Cant really argue that point either way though.

Barton is not a point guard. Hes more out of position than Trae ever was. Trae was a consistent threat to get to the basket, which with McRae, Richardson and even Stokes showing improved range this season, his abilti to drive and kick would've been a huge help for us this year.
 
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Have you noticed that sometimes we got Thompson and barton on the court at the same time? Barton is a pg but he's more of a shooter. Trae was an assist machine one season but last year would mentally wouldn't get in the game. I'm fine with barton right now he's a pure shooter.
 
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Kusotate said:
perfectly understandable but Trae is GT's leading score plus he has to run their offense which is going to lead to a higher ATO ratio. Barton is listed as a PG but we all know that he isn't, if Barton brings the ball up the court his task is to get the ball to Mcrae or Stokes and wait for the open shot.
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that's what gets me a little. People bust on Barton for not doing more, but his job is mainly to get it over the line, pass it to the wing and go stand in a corner. If I'm the pg? That's not fun at all and I'll be searching for rhythm all game instead of it just being there.
 
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Golden is the better player but not by a huge amount.....Barton is not as good a player as I thought he would be.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Golden this year:
13.5ppg
2.7rpg
3.3apg
42percent fg
Turnovers 2.6
28percent from 3
A/T 1.3


Barton:
8.4ppg
2.4rpg
1.9apg
44percent fg
0.9 turnovers pg
40percent from 3
A/T 2.0

Yikes. This team misses Golden
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Those numbers are exactly what we needed from Barton. I don't miss watching Trae get beat on defense.
 
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