Golden vs Barton

#76
#76
wtorange said:
I can't make a judgment on Barton's effort every game but he has had games where he totally disappeared like Saturday.
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Seems like he started off running the team well and we got out to about a 10 pt lead. Then he disappeared on the offensive end, about the same time Stokes talks about the team slowing it down. Next time I remember him being a factor is in the 2nd half when he missed an open 3 after a kickout and the play where he was benched.

Still don't understand why we just don't have @ 2-3 shooters on this team with all this length. Nasty shooters would give room to everybody.
 
#77
#77
cncchris33 said:
I'm in agreement here. I have found myself less frustrated at our PG play this year with Barton than last year with Trae. Crunch whatever numbers you want (you'll find no decisive answer), but in the end, Golden was far more frustrating to watch, for whatever reason.
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I see on Barton's face that he is into the game and trying to help his team win, though he may not be playing well, whereas sometimes Trae truly didn't look like he gave a flip or his body language would just go. just my personal opinion.
 
#78
#78
Think the record wouldn't change although I will say this: Golden handles a press better and gets open in better spots on a press. Might have made a difference against TAMU
 
#79
#79
cncchris33 said:
I'm in agreement here. I have found myself less frustrated at our PG play this year with Barton than last year with Trae. Crunch whatever numbers you want (you'll find no decisive answer), but in the end, Golden was far more frustrating to watch, for whatever reason.
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Absolutely agree here. Barton, though not terrific has been steady overall. Way less turnovers than Golden. This team still has no legit point guard, Maymon is not the ole Maymon as we have known in the past and Jordie Mac hasn't displayed that presents of taking over a game and being THE MAN on the floor. Stokes has been solid with the exception of the A&M game which could be him playing with that injured shoulder. The incoming Freshman really haven't done anything spectacular. Hubbs couldn't make crucial shots, Thompson needs more weight on his frame to compete at this level and Davis shows promise just needs more PT. Going into this season the expectations was that this team would be a ranked top 15 team prior to Christmas. The home losses I believe is what has taken the wind out the sail for most fans. Hope CCM can figure this out and get this team to the dance.
 
#80
#80
This isn't even close. Golden has carried Georgia Tech at times. He is still inconsistent but he can carry you with huge games. Antonio Barton gives this team absolutely nothing. All of the people who claimed this team didn't need the offense were dead wrong as they always are.
 
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#81
#81
and you don't entrust your team into someone that can carry you but ends up dropping you and getting benched multiple times.
We don't need or want to have Trae running our team and our hopes riding on his shoulders. We saw those results the last 2 years.

And for the record, Georgia Tech is headed for the NIT if they qualify. You guys continue to want to look at a few pts or something else just don't get it. Basketball is deeper than the number you see.
 
#82
#82
and Barton gives a good D presence and hasn't turned the ball over. He's also gotten the ball to the post as asked and has let it be McRae's team, as he is supposed to.

just under 9 pts isn't exactly nothing either.
 
#83
#83
Spartacavolus said:
and you don't entrust your team into someone that can carry you but ends up dropping you and getting benched multiple times.
We don't need or want to have Trae running our team and our hopes riding on his shoulders. We saw those results the last 2 years.

And for the record, Georgia Tech is headed for the NIT if they qualify. You guys continue to want to look at a few pts or something else just don't get it. Basketball is deeper than the number you see.
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6 points is a massive difference. Golden is a better player. He was better the previous years. The pg play is worse this year. Why do you think we are having a worse season? Maybe its McBee, another guy who I idiots hated on.
 
#85
#85
bleedingTNorange said:
Huh?

On January 22, 2013 we were 9-7 with a RPI of 93.

On January 22, 2014 we are 11-6 with a RPI of 54.

That's having a worse season?
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Yes. We are on track to have a worse season. This team isn't capable of going on a long run because we don't have a pg that can get hot.
 
#86
#86
Golden will leave college never to have led a team to an ncaa tourney, and may leave with 2 total tournament wins and zero postseason wins of any sort.
 
#88
#88
Spartacavolus said:
Golden will leave college never to have led a team to an ncaa tourney, and may leave with 2 total tournament wins and zero postseason wins of any sort.
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And it will still be a far superior career than will Barton will have had.
 
#89
#89
BOP said:
This isn't even close. Golden has carried Georgia Tech at times. He is still inconsistent but he can carry you with huge games. Antonio Barton gives this team absolutely nothing. All of the people who claimed this team didn't need the offense were dead wrong as they always are.
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And BOP is always right...blah blah blah.

Bottom line, there are far fewer ebbs and flows with Barton at PG than with Golden. You sacrifice TG's occasional 20-point outburst for the improved defense, ball security, decision-making, and improved shooting %. Trae scored more, but he gave up more to his man too, so the difference is negligible.
 
#92
#92
bleedingTNorange said:
You said we are having, not we are on track to having.

Good try though.
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Actually last season is complete and as completed is better than this season. I said nothing about at this point last year. Anyone with a brain should see that adding maymon should have made this team better but it didn't because we have no bench and no pg
 
#93
#93
BOP said:
And it will still be a far superior career than will Barton will have had.
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he will have scored more, turned it over more, and lost more games.

Doesn't really sound like far superior to me. I like Trae over Barton with the ball in a tie game and the clock going down, assuming he is going to get a pick and drive to the basket. I like him at the ft line late. Not really anywhere else, unless you could promise me he won't sulk 2 minutes in and float into la la land.
I don't think we've been in a game where the ft line late has been a factor from the pg position.
 
#94
#94
Spartacavolus said:
he will have scored more, turned it over more, and lost more games.

Doesn't really sound like far superior to me. I like Trae over Barton with the ball in a tie game and the clock going down, assuming he is going to get a pick and drive to the basket. I like him at the ft line late. Not really anywhere else, unless you could promise me he won't sulk 2 minutes in and float into la la land.
I don't think we've been in a game where the ft line late has been a factor from the pg position.
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I like him going into any game, especially against a good team because he is the differerence between having a decent chance and a slim to no chance.
 
#95
#95
BOP said:
This isn't even close. Golden has carried Georgia Tech at times. He is still inconsistent but he can carry you with huge games. Antonio Barton gives this team absolutely nothing. All of the people who claimed this team didn't need the offense were dead wrong as they always are.
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Nope. Not at all. Keep trying though.
 
#96
#96
Dougie_D said:
Has anybody been keeping up with Golden lately?

I'm just wondering if Barton really helped out this position or are we under achieving at this point?
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Golden leads the team with roughly the same numbers he had at UT. Barton and Thompson both don't make up for Golden's scoring but we're certainly hoping for better at some point. I'm a mean lil person. I hope Austin comes in and kicks serious booty. I'm about ready for a real PG.
 
#97
#97
ejvols4 said:
Golden was much better. Barton is probably a better pure shooter, but Trae was a playmaker, even if he was out of position.

Pure speculation, but I really think he would've had a big year if he'd been around this year. VN was way too hard on the guy.
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Would've helped but he's a liability in a lot of areas. I want a REAL PG. Buzz brought in the last REAL PG. And I don't want to hear about the guys UT 'could've had' under Pearl. Does us no good. A REAL PG is a guy who is ok with 10 pts as long as he gets 10 ast's. That's a real PG. Tired of the hybrid theoretical PG to. John Stockton. John 'mother *******' Stockton. REAL PG.
 
#98
#98
HBCButch said:
Would've helped but he's a liability in a lot of areas. I want a REAL PG. Buzz brought in the last REAL PG. And I don't want to hear about the guys UT 'could've had' under Pearl. Does us no good. A REAL PG is a guy who is ok with 10 pts as long as he gets 10 ast's. That's a real PG. Tired of the hybrid theoretical PG to. John Stockton. John 'mother *******' Stockton. REAL PG.
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While he wasn't a star and dynamic, I liked Bobby Maize. I thought Goins was solid but lacked an offensive game. Dude could be a lock down defender. But, yes, we have been missing a dynamic PG for a while.
 
#99
#99
Barton had 7 pts, 4 assts, 2 offensive boards and no turnovers tonight. Needed him to make a 2/3 of the shots he missed and his 2 ft's and would've been a good game for him. Even though he struggled, I thought he played good d, and if he was ballhogging, Mcrae and Maymon wouldn't have gone for 50+.
 
#100
#100
VolGee4 said:
While he wasn't a star and dynamic, I liked Bobby Maize. I thought Goins was solid but lacked an offensive game. Dude could be a lock down defender. But, yes, we have been missing a dynamic PG for a while.
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Dynamic PG are hard to find these days. Everybody wants to shoot the 3 now. Even C.
 
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