Golden's Hammy?

#26
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Spartacavolus said:
yep. But whatever it has been--shoulder, knee, or whatever--I didn't like hearing Jimmy Dykes talk about Trae being at the shootaround for an hour and a half the other night and not saying a word to his teammates. That lack of leadership on the floor has killed us this year.
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I'll play Devils advocate and say that maybe he was trying to stay focused on the task at hand. Some guys simply cannot be bothered or talked to at certain points before a game.
 
#27
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Spartacavolus said:
yep. But whatever it has been--shoulder, knee, or whatever--I didn't like hearing Jimmy Dykes talk about Trae being at the shootaround for an hour and a half the other night and not saying a word to his teammates. That lack of leadership on the floor has killed us this year.
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While he might be right about the shoot around, and not to get into a Jimmy Dykes discussion, but I only believe about half of what comes out of his mouth. Every time he does a UT game he says a couple things that are only true in his head.

As for leadership, I think McRae has lumped as much as humanly possible of this team on his back. Someone else needs to step up and be his Robin. Stokes has started showing signs, at least from a production stand point.

Not to get into a Lopez vs Golden thing either. I notice that even though Lopez is only a walk-on he is very vocal on the floor. Moreso than Golden in my opinion. Reese also seems to be pretty vocal.
 
#28
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Spartacavolus said:
yep. But whatever it has been--shoulder, knee, or whatever--I didn't like hearing Jimmy Dykes talk about Trae being at the shootaround for an hour and a half the other night and not saying a word to his teammates. That lack of leadership on the floor has killed us this year.
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I've said for awhile, he came back after Christmas break and was a completely different player/person. I'm not sure what happened, but I'm pretty certain something happened.
 
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zansdad said:
While he might be right about the shoot around, and not to get into a Jimmy Dykes discussion, but I only believe about half of what comes out of his mouth. Every time he does a UT game he says a couple things that are only true in his head.

As for leadership, I think McRae has lumped as much as humanly possible of this team on his back. Someone else needs to step up and be his Robin. Stokes has started showing signs, at least from a production stand point.

Not to get into a Lopez vs Golden thing either. I notice that even though Lopez is only a walk-on he is very vocal on the floor. Moreso than Golden in my opinion. Reese also seems to be pretty vocal.
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The hope was golden would step up with Maymon out, because he was clearly the leader. However, golden just isn't that way, and you really can't make him be if he doesn't have it in him. Stokes is producing, but one thing I always notice, he's not very vocal, and this annoys me...he always is smiling lol. He had a pretty and one last game and just kinda smirks, would love to see some fire out of him.

McRae clearly is the most vocal, I think josh has shown some old qualities, but you're definitely right about Lopez...on the floor or on the bench the guy is always talking.
 
#31
#31
Next year we should have Maymon, Richardson and McRae as the leaders. 2 seniors and a junior.

I'm just concerned any time we have two guys like McBee and Lopez in the game at the same time. They were walk ons for a reason. JaJuan Smith was too, but they're no JaJuan Smith. Martin said in the postgame that Moore wasn't on the floor at the end and most of the 2nd half because he kept getting lost on his defensive assignment trying to figure out Vandy's Princeton offense.
 
#32
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OrangeBalls said:
Next year we should have Maymon, Richardson and McRae as the leaders. 2 seniors and a junior.

I'm just concerned any time we have two guys like McBee and Lopez in the game at the same time. They were walk ons for a reason. JaJuan Smith was too, but they're no JaJuan Smith. Martin said in the postgame that Moore wasn't on the floor at the end and most of the 2nd half because he kept getting lost on his defensive assignment trying to figure out Vandy's Princeton offense.
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That reason regarding Moore makes little sense to me. All they did was a high pick and roll basically the entire second half and penetrate or kick. They didn't run much of any motion, much less Princeton slashing and back cuts. I don't recall one back door play.
 
#33
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Spartacavolus said:
That reason regarding Moore makes little sense to me. All they did was a high pick and roll basically the entire second half and penetrate or kick. They didn't run much of any motion, much less Princeton slashing and back cuts. I don't recall one back door play.
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I haven't watched the 2nd half yet. I DVR'd it and was planning on watching it Tue night and the storms came through and the EAS kept interrupting so I haven't seen it yet.

I'd be willing to bet that Moore wouldn't have let his man get the rebound and the put back miss. McBee just let him go right on by.
 
#34
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OrangeBalls said:
I haven't watched the 2nd half yet. I DVR'd it and was planning on watching it Tue night and the storms came through and the EAS kept interrupting so I haven't seen it yet.

I'd be willing to bet that Moore wouldn't have let his man get the rebound and the put back miss. McBee just let him go right on by.
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I can't remember who it was. Seems like Hall and Mcrae were standing and watching too. I've noticed Mcrae doing that more the last couple of games. Hope he catches himself and starts boxing and going after the ball. That's why I like Moore. He has a Rodman type knack of where the ball is going and goes to get it.
CM didn't have a good game, but he won. At one time, I thought Trae was in too long anyway. We were up 12, CM called a timeout after a made 3 with 12:10, and we lost mo.
 
#35
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I've thought all year that Golden has had something wrong physically. Short on free throws is very unusual for him. He plays like he's got tired legs, which makes no sense, so I thought maybe he'd had the flu and hadn't really recovered from it. Now I'm thinking he's been hurt: maybe the knee, maybe the hamstring was already slightly strained and he made it worse the other night.
 
#37
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Spartacavolus said:
I can't remember who it was. Seems like Hall and Mcrae were standing and watching too. I've noticed Mcrae doing that more the last couple of games. Hope he catches himself and starts boxing and going after the ball. That's why I like Moore. He has a Rodman type knack of where the ball is going and goes to get it.
CM didn't have a good game, but he won. At one time, I thought Trae was in too long anyway. We were up 12, CM called a timeout after a made 3 with 12:10, and we lost mo.
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Hall was shaded towards his guy near the FT line. McRae was the other one just standing there watching Bright get the rebound and put back. He was on Odom and Odom would've gotten the rebound if the ball came his way because McRae let him go on by too. Martin pointed out that McBee and McRae both failed to block out on that final play. Richardson was the only one who was near the ball and he just missed trying to tap it out so they couldn't get another shot.
 
#38
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UTvolinBGKY said:
Funny how people on here piss and moan about how awful Golden is and then when he gets hurt and going to miss a few games people say " we are screwed without him"
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Great point. This reminds me, as a Vikings fan, of Christian Ponder's injury. Forced us to play Joe Webb at QB instead. We'd been *****ing all year about how bad Ponder was, and all of a sudden he was the second coming of Fran Tarkenton!

But seriously, we need Golden. This Arkansas game will be ugly without him, in my opinion.
 
#39
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Rob Lewis saying he'd guess about 2 weeks from the way Martin talked about the injury. Good news is if we can win this one Saturday I think we're more than capable of winning the next 3 without golden.

Huge game Saturday, HUGE.
 
#41
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bleedingTNorange said:
Rob Lewis saying he'd guess about 2 weeks from the way Martin talked about the injury. Good news is if we can win this one Saturday I think we're more than capable of winning the next 3 without golden.

Huge game Saturday, HUGE.
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I hope he's back for the game against Vandy. They're probably the toughest game out of the next four besides Ark.
 
#43
#43
I hate it that Golden cant go but he hasn't started two or three games already so we can do it with out him. IMO B-Lo is a good change of pace and can handle the ball better. I also think he has a better eye for assists. My only question for Lopez is on his shot.
 
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#44
#44
Once again....people seem to be forgetting that we tried the Lopez experiment already, it went down in flames.

If he can play 10-15 minutes like he did the other night I'd be thrilled. I expect Jordan to play close to 40 minutes and both Josh and Armani to be over 30.

Jordan 25/ Lopez 15
Armani 30/ Mcbee 10
Josh 30/ Jordan 10
Kenny 20/ Reese 20
Stokes 32/ yemi 8

That's what I'd go with.
 
#45
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OrangeBalls said:
Next year we should have Maymon, Richardson and McRae as the leaders. 2 seniors and a junior.

I'm just concerned any time we have two guys like McBee and Lopez in the game at the same time. They were walk ons for a reason. JaJuan Smith was too, but they're no JaJuan Smith. Martin said in the postgame that Moore wasn't on the floor at the end and most of the 2nd half because he kept getting lost on his defensive assignment trying to figure out Vandy's Princeton offense.
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Hubbs is coming in and will be an immediate improvement for the team. He will take a lot of pressure off the PG and add confidence to the team. I like what we will have next year, but we do need to get a BIG from some where. Davis will also help, but we need some more serious rebounding and shot blocking down low.
 
#46
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VOLINVONORE said:
Hubbs is coming in and will be an immediate improvement for the team. He will take a lot of pressure off the PG and add confidence to the team. I like what we will have next year, but we do need to get a BIG from some where. Davis will also help, but we need some more serious rebounding and shot blocking down low.
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For next year?
 
#47
#47
bleedingTNorange said:
Once again....people seem to be forgetting that we tried the Lopez experiment already, it went down in flames.

If he can play 10-15 minutes like he did the other night I'd be thrilled. I expect Jordan to play close to 40 minutes and both Josh and Armani to be over 30.

Jordan 25/ Lopez 15
Armani 30/ Mcbee 10
Josh 30/ Jordan 10
Kenny 20/ Reese 20
Stokes 32/ yemi 8

That's what I'd go with.
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The big change is going to be the minutes where Golden ran the point and McRae got to play off the ball.Jordy has been averaging about 35 minutes a game but only a part of that was at the point. Now it's going to almost all have to be at the point with Lopez filling in for 5 minutes or so. Unless Lopez is having some type of out-of-body experience game, I don't see him standing up to the physical pressure SEC defenses are going to put on him for long stretches. Much like now, whenever McBee touches the ball, good coaches run a trap at him, whenever Lopez comes in team are immediately going to crank up their back court pressure and see if they can force him into turnovers.
 
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