Good perspective on the loss

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djwes said:
Weak minded BS and excuse making.

The article would make sense if Tennessee looked even somewhat prepared and were just outplayed by an average Florida getting up for a home game with some unfortunate breaks and calls.

It's one thing to try to execute a game plan and be beaten its an other to be inept.

The whole effort was listless and pathetic, period.

What I saw was:
1) Lack of focus & pop warner mistakes by D1 players.
2) A mind boggling inability to cover easily identifiable routes in the first half, over and over and over
3) Rookie clock and read mistakes by Milton who has had, what 5-6 years of D1 coaching?
4) Inept clock management overall
5) Poor tackling
6) Inept 3rd down & long defense
7) CJH completely rattled during and after the game at his press conf.
8) DBs cant figure out they need to turn for the ball, who coaches that crap, my middle school players have better technique and discipline.
9) Shotgun on 4th and 1 or less, WTF? Joe is a big strong QB, put him under center, lord.
10) Receiver effort was poor

Good is the enemy of great.

Lowering standards results in a train wreck, just ask anyone in the military who preceded the current administration.

Realistic Tenn Fans with a knowledge of the game saw this as a rebuild year with success ceiling depending on 1) Milton's ability to execute at QB and 2) defensive improvement, especially secondary play.

The USCJr game will set the tone for the remainder of the season. If Rattler gets going in the passing game and Tenn O struggles like last 2 games it will get ugly, Beamer will roll up the points and the team will pack it in.
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This is well said. That was a BS read trying to make us feel good. Any one with football sense can read between the lines. Gel year? That may be the stupidist thing I have ever hear. Next year, if Nico is around and we are able to work the portal, will become the gel year. We don't need gel years on a yearly basis. If we put Nico at the helm soon then I would agree that the gel year could begin. If not then this is a ride it out year and get ready for next year...
 
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Meh.....Tn lost to Florida. Water is wet as well.

I hate losing to those a$$hats as much as anyone but no Vol fan can realistically feel very confident watching them go into the Swamp at this point. Que sera sera.

The good news is Alabama and GA looked pretty shaky in their own right this weekend.

We know Saban and The Kirbster will get their teams straightened out.

Now we get to find out what kind of coach Heupel is and rather he can do the same. He has a lot of work to do coming off that debacle.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I’m sorry but that’s BS. This isn’t a good Florida team in fact that’s probably the worst Florida team you’re going to see in the swamp for several years.

I’m not sure what the issue is exactly but the Oline must be shored up. The Milton experiment needs to go ahead and come to a conclusion. I’m not even saying most of the issue was him but the skill players on this team do not believe in him. It would be better at this point to lean on the running game and bring Nico along if Milton doesn’t look better vs UTSA and I mean a lot better. I’m not sure about the new OC either but I would like a chance to see him work with a better qb than milton.

This I absolutely do know. Every single fan of this team is ready to tear their hair out if they see Hadden trot back out on the field. Defense is absolute trash in the secondary; they can’t cover in zone or man, they can’t tackle either reliably.
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Amen on Hadden. Enough is enough with that guy.

Not been on the Willie Martinez train since it rolled back into Knoxville either. Hoping to see a change in the off season. His recruiting isn't worth the embarrassment time and again we've seen on the field.
 
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BigBadVol said:
Some of you would be wise to read this and calm down.
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It feels to me like a it could be a Tennessee team like those of a few years back: Beat up on the cup-cakes, and lose in the big games. I've been listening to Eric Cain, Boogie Pay-to-play Bentley, Dave Hooker, Nash, and Sports talk jay. This isn't a one game synopsis of quarterback play. I will agree that the loss to Florida is absolutely NOT entirely Joe Milton's fault. It's not. Our Offensive-line is awful. Not far behind the O-line is our secondary. WE WERE TOLD that Golesh and Heupel created plays tailored to the quarterbacks strengths. Okay. QB play in last years Vandy game was mehhh. QB play in the Virginia game was mediocre. QB play in the AP game was worse. QB play in the Florida game was awful. I hate to call a spade a spade, but QB play isn't great. It just isn't. Folks are frustrated because the offense seems throttled. Joe seems scared, and the O-line seems scatter-brained and reactionary. We can't do that in SEC play. I've watched all the interviews of players across multiple position groups. They don't have any fire and it shows. It could be post game depression after the loss, or it could be something else. I ain't beating up on anybody....they're 20 year old kids for the most part. I don't want them to lose faith, but in this game, in this league, we have to tackle. Our tackling was atrocious in the Florida game, if we do nothing else, we gotta fix that.
 
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Article is complete BS. This is Josh’s third season. The players he recruited in year 1 are juniors now. Two years of strength and conditioning, learning the system and so on. I don’t give a damn what anybody says, Milton sucks folks. Now is he better then me? Yes, but he’s a D1 QB at TENAFACKINSEE!!!!! It’s back to feeling like we’ve got to have every pass play to win. Maybe they’ve fooled Josh, I don’t know. We have played like 💩 in all three games. When do we wake up and realize there’s a big problem. I guarantee you Josh is waking up, if not, he better.
 
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Folks on here jump to insane conclusions after a loss. This team will get better, for the we suck we are back to losing crowd there is no hope crowd. Just leave, we can discuss our problems without being 100 percent negative. We have talent, our O-line will improve especially when Mays returns. Our secondary has to play better, if one isn’t getting it done put somebody else in. Competition and opportunities sometimes produces better results than staying with the same ones that continually make the same mistakes. Same goes for quarterback and I am not saying Joe is done, but we have to get Nico some experience when the oppportunity arises. For the crowd that only complains and says we’re done or Heupel isn’t going to get it done just leave. I suspect most of them or trolls and if your not then maybe you need to find something else to occupy your time. I am not talking about folks voicing legit concerns, I do that myself. But I know things change during the course of a season, this season is not lost and there is time to get on track. But the DustyRock’s and Tall guy types are fixing to be put on ignore they are full of it trolls or just plain have serious issues. GBO
 
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OrangeTsar said:
No coach is perfect. What is wanted though is a coach who gets his teams to exceed expectations. Golesh clearly did this week while Heupel did not. Not advocating replacing Heupel at all of course. He is doing a fantastic job overall. But the last two weeks have not been the best. I don’t think that continues to happen though
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That’s more than fair, but Heupel has exceeded expectations in the past, although with Golesh, to your point. I think we will see in the next 3-4 weeks but I don’t think Heupel is incapable without Golesh. (Not suggesting you are saying that) I think losing Golesh obviously hurts, but I think Heupel is still what we thought he was as far as being a good offensive mind. Time will tell as far as last year being lighting in a bottle .
 
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Volfan76 said:
That's all true, but it's nothing that isn't true for any other team that was in contention for the playoffs last year or in the past. Great teams lose players and coaches and they reload for the next year. Fans have been fed this rebuilding year nonsense since Fulmer was here. Kinda hard to swallow when you watch Colorado. The fans aren't just concerned because of the Florida game. This offense has not looked exceptional in any game this year. For a coach that is an offensive guru, fielding a mediocre offense is concerning. That's not even talking about.the defense.
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Remember how awesome our defense was when we were coached by a defensive guru?
 
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Volfan76 said:
That's all true, but it's nothing that isn't true for any other team that was in contention for the playoffs last year or in the past. Great teams lose players and coaches and they reload for the next year. Fans have been fed this rebuilding year nonsense since Fulmer was here. Kinda hard to swallow when you watch Colorado. The fans aren't just concerned because of the Florida game. This offense has not looked exceptional in any game this year. For a coach that is an offensive guru, fielding a mediocre offense is concerning. That's not even talking about.the defense.
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Ask a grownup for help.
 
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#39
With all the terrible recruiting before Josh arrived - it will take years to rebuild - especially on the oline and dline
 
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djwes said:
Weak minded BS and excuse making.

The article would make sense if Tennessee looked even somewhat prepared and were just outplayed by an average Florida getting up for a home game with some unfortunate breaks and calls.

It's one thing to try to execute a game plan and be beaten its another to be inept.

The whole effort was listless and pathetic, period.

What I saw was:
1) Lack of focus & pop warner mistakes by D1 players.
2) A mind boggling inability to cover easily identifiable routes in the first half, over and over and over
3) Rookie clock and read mistakes by Milton who has had, what 5-6 years of D1 coaching?
4) Inept clock management overall
5) Poor tackling
6) Inept 3rd down & long defense
7) CJH completely rattled during and after the game at his press conf.
8) DBs cant figure out they need to turn for the ball, who coaches that crap, my middle school players have better technique and discipline.
9) Shotgun on 4th and 1 or less, WTF? Joe is a big strong QB, put him under center, lord.
10) Receiver effort was poor

Good is the enemy of great.

Lowering standards results in a train wreck, just ask anyone in the military who preceded the current administration.

Realistic Tenn Fans with a knowledge of the game saw this as a rebuild year with success ceiling depending on 1) Milton's ability to execute at QB and 2) defensive improvement, especially secondary play.

The USCJr game will set the tone for the remainder of the season. If Rattler gets going in the passing game and Tenn O struggles like last 2 games it will get ugly, Beamer will roll up the points and the team will pack it in.
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For 7. And 9., this is what upset me the most. Horrible offensive play calling. Play calls lacked urgency, we’re not creative at all, and showed Florida that we were going to continue to play ‘scared’. I expected more from a so called offensive genius. I don’t want to keep hearing excuses like execution, players with limited ability, etc. Figure it out coach! The offensive tone was like ‘we give up’ let’s just get this over with. I saw visions of Fulmer clapping on the sideline, Butch reading a chart, and Pruitt being clueless. I love what CJH has done so far, but that game plan was disgraceful. Nobody expected us to win when we were down by 26-7 so what on earth do you have to lose by putting it all back on the list line to aggressively come back. I just don’t get it. What happened to the guy who decided to win the Alabama game last year with 20 seconds. Yes, I am frustrated with Heupel.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
That’s more than fair, but Heupel has exceeded expectations in the past, although with Golesh, to your point. I think we will see in the next 3-4 weeks but I don’t think Heupel is incapable without Golesh. (Not suggesting you are saying that) I think losing Golesh obviously hurts, but I think Heupel is still what we thought he was as far as being a good offensive mind. Time will tell as far as last year being lighting in a bottle .
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He said exceeded our expectations last year for sure, but he has fallen short of our expectations for this year (which for most is 9-3/8-4). The performance against Florida was way, way below our expectations. You just can’t squander an opportunity like that when they are not a great team.
 
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Volizona said:
He said exceeded our expectations last year for sure, but he has fallen short of our expectations for this year (which for most is 9-3/8-4). The performance against Florida was way, way below our expectations. You just can’t squander an opportunity like that when they are not a great team.
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Yes, last weekend was a failure. I think we all agree on that. Lots of season left yet, however. I’d submit that expectations for this season were much higher than they ever should have been, and I thought that before the Florida game. 11-2 year 2 was awesome but a big overachievement. The natural expectation is to assume that’s going to be the type of season we have in his 3 rd year, but I just don’t think it’s a reasonable expectation. 9-3,8-4 is still doable. Anything less than 8-4 is a problem imo. I think many were expecting 11-1, 10-2 regular season. 9-3 or 8-4 is reasonable and still doable.
 
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