Goodbye BCS

#51
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Remy said:
Good riddance BCS! The Big 10 and eastern block of sportswriters had figured out a way to game the system and return Notre Dame and OSU to false prominence. The Domers being down >20 points in the 1st quarter of the actual NC game they had no business being in and OSU having a defense the past 2 years that couldn't stop a good high school team ranked in the top 5 and finally getting exposed by Michigan State is evidence to support my opinion.
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I have to agree Dame should never have been in the big one.

I'm just hoping the playoff system will mean more orange and white football.
 
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bamawriter said:
Clemson and Vanderbilt both beat Georgia at home in 2013. Clemson beat UGA in week 1, when UGA was as healthy as they could possibly be. Vanderbilt defeated UGA in week 8, when the dawgs had become a complete MASH unit. In every single computer formula used in the BCS, Vanderbilt's victory was mathematically equal to Clemson's.

That, along with thousands upon thousands of similar situations, is why trying to develop a forumla to compare the outcomes of sporting events for the sake of determining a champion is freaking stupid.

And no, the humans do not share equal blame. A human could look at those two games and use common sense to give Clemson more credit for a better win than Vandy.
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Like I said the BCS got it right more times than not. Especially this year. I think letting humans do it may end up being a popularity contest.
 
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I-bleed-orange said:
The fact that Condalisa Rice is on the committee already has me wondering what the hell the committee is thinking. If she is qualified, then so is every member on Volnation. What. A. Joke.
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Have you seen her credentials? I am guessing that you and Pollack probably would be friends....
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Like I said the BCS got it right more times than not. Especially this year. I think letting humans do it may end up being a popularity contest.
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That's why I don't understand why they don't use the BCS to pick the playoff teams.. (four, eight whatever)
 
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volfan1231 said:
What are your thoughts on the end of the BCS? Are you glad the BCS is over with?

Anybody else on here feel like the playoff committee will be a joke?
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We just have to hope we're not the SEC team getting screwed over so Ohio State or Notre Dame or Texas can leapfrog our ranking to get put in. At least the BCS had an element of objectivity to it. I wish they had kept using it and just played the top 4 teams. This committee reeks of subjectivity, and when it's subjective, somebody's gonna get screwed.
 
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oregonvol said:
I think I will miss the BCS. Before the BCS, #1 hardly ever met #2 at the end, so the sports media had alot more power in determining who they wanted to be national champions. This usually favored the Big Ten or Notre Dame. They could play lesser bowl opponents and still be crowned champs by the media.

The BCS ended that. The media still had some say, but it was a far more transparent process, so their role was greatly diminished. They would have loved for Ohio State to not have to play Florida in 2006 and just crowned them champs with a win over a weak Pac 10 team in the Rose Bowl, but they couldn't do it. Likewise, an unbeaten Notre Dame had to play a 1 loss Alabama team last year rather than some weaker opponent, which would have happened before the BCS. I think the BCS ultimately got it right every year, save 2004.

Now we go to a playoff, which the media has been clamoring for, because it gives them alot of power back, since they will influence more teams' chances (and since it is more of a judgement call as to who is 3-4 vs. who is 1-2). Sure the same unbeaten BCS conference teams will get in at the top, but now the media may be able to get their 2 loss USC or 1 loss Michigan in there too, if possible. There's far more wiggle room to give preferential treatment to schools in bigger media markets or simply those the more influential sports media members prefer. And as the playoffs inevitably expand, that influence will inevitably grow.

Of course, I guess the hope is that the playoff format and the concept of more teams "settling it on the field" will lead to a somewhat more decisive champion (though, like I said before, I feel like the BCS has gotten it right pretty much every year, so I am not sure how much better it can be). But playoffs have their own set of challenges. They don't necessarily decide the best team so much as the team that is playing best at the end. Were the Ravens really the best team in the NFL last year or did they get hot at the right time? There are lots of ways to determine a champion. In the English Premier League there are no playoffs, it's purely based on your record over the course of the season, so it judges the sum total of your accomplishments and failures. I think many methods are valid and all methods are debatable. There is no perfect method. I do wonder how the playoff format (which will almost certainly be expanded to more games in the future) will benefit, say a team in the Big Ten who has played a weak regular season and may have fewer injuries and better rested players for a 3-4 game playoff stretch at the end.
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Very well thought out and stated. Question for you: why do you think the BCS got it right except for 2004? Seems with all the logic you have here that you'd also agree 2004 got it right.
 
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GAVol said:
The BCS did exactly what it was supposed to do. People are going to whine no matter what system is in place.
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Agreed. It did its job outside of not being able to handle multiple unbeatens at seasons end. Kind of hard to expect that.

BCS is not really dead, and the landscape won't be changing much. How do people think the top 4 will be chosen? With the "antiquated" BCS system....

The only way to achieve true playoff chmapions, one must have a true playoff. The only way to achieve that is ALL FBS conference champions are in the pool and you have a playoff.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Like I said the BCS got it right more times than not. Especially this year. I think letting humans do it may end up being a popularity contest.
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The humans are/were two-thirds of the BCS for most of its life. They were only half until the computers screwed up '01 and '03 in embarrassing fashion.

I'm inclined to agree that the committee isn't the best method, but as long as the computers are thrown aside, it's an improvement.
 
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Good riddance BCS *****es. They will eventually make it an 8 team playoff like it should be, but the playoff committee needs to make sure they are able to keep enough control over the situation to keep the teams they want in... in, and support who they want to support. They still gotta make their green you know, otherwise no one would play the game (yes, the committee will be crooked as you can get). You can say good bye to teams like BAMA though, they will never last in a playoff. They will have to actually play games and work for it now. It won't get real until they can make it 8 teams though.
 
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The NCAA needs to have a 16 team tournament in the BCS division just like in FCS. IMO that would clear things up nicely.
 
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bamawriter said:
The humans are/were two-thirds of the BCS for most of its life. They were only half until the computers screwed up '01 and '03 in embarrassing fashion.

I'm inclined to agree that the committee isn't the best method, but as long as the computers are thrown aside, it's an improvement.
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Ok so you say the BCS got it wrong twice in 15 years. So the BCS got it right what, about 95% of the time? This committee will be nowhere near as good as the BCS system. You will see.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
The playoffs will work fantastic if there is 4 undefeated teams every season. If not then it's going to be a train wreck.
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Can you imagine what the reaction will be on ESPN and the Networks if in the four team Playoff,you have three SEC teams?:biggrin:
 
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Remy said:
Good riddance BCS! The Big 10 and eastern block of sportswriters had figured out a way to game the system and return Notre Dame and OSU to false prominence. The Domers being down >20 points in the 1st quarter of the actual NC game they had no business being in and OSU having a defense the past 2 years that couldn't stop a good high school team ranked in the top 5 and finally getting exposed by Michigan State is evidence to support my opinion.
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So a Notre Dame team that won every single game on its schedule shouldn't have had an opportunity to play for the national championship?
 
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Just take the top ten and be done with it. No team left out would have a legit reason to complain then.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Ok so you say the BCS got it wrong twice in 15 years. So the BCS got it right what, about 95% of the time? This committee will be nowhere near as good as the BCS system. You will see.
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The humans got it 100% right during the BCS era. While the committee isn't my preference when something like the Harris Poll is an option, making it a purely human operation is a net gain.
 
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volfan_89 said:
True but if your not good enough to make the top ten you don't deserve to be in the playoffs.
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same could be said for #5 in a 4 team, #9 in an 8 team, or even #69 in a 68 team, etc........ It doesnt matter how many there will alway be worth teams left out. A playoff does not solve the problem
 
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GreveHaller said:
same could be said for #5 in a 4 team, #9 in an 8 team, or even #69 in a 68 team, etc........ It doesnt matter how many there will alway be worth teams left out. A playoff does not solve the problem
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The teams left out will always complain. Let the top ten be the cutoff point and it gives them less ground to stand on.

The NCAA playoffs will be a better system than the BCS imo. It will have some kinks that need to be worked out but in the end it will be better.
 
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volfan_89 said:
The teams left out will always complain. Let the top ten be the cutoff point and it gives them less ground to stand on.

The NCAA playoffs will be a better system than the BCS imo. It will have some kinks that need to be worked out but in the end it will be better.
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Sure, if your goal is mediocrity
 
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