GOP faces set back in voter hurdle efforts

[lawgator1]

Judge blocks Pennsylvania voter ID law - NBC Politics

Romney was probably going to lose Pennsylvania, anyway, but this ruling I think firmly lands Pennsylvania in the Obama column.

 

[therealUT]

Judge blocks Pennsylvania voter ID law - NBC Politics

Romney was probably going to lose Pennsylvania, anyway, but this ruling I think firmly lands Pennsylvania in the Obama column.

This picture goes a long way to demonstrating that this is a good ruling and that, at the earliest, these voter ID laws should not take effect until the 2014 elections.

 

[golfballs]

“the proposed changes are to occur about five weeks before the general election, and I question whether sufficient time now remains to attain the goal of liberal access”

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[therealUT]

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Are you anti-liberal in the context in which it was used?

 

[utvolpj]

This picture goes a long way to demonstrating that this is a good ruling and that, at the earliest, these voter ID laws should not take effect until the 2014 elections.

if that's an accurate picture then I think it's a great example of why it should. It's been a requirement for a while now so any picture like that tells me people didn't really care. I take that to mean an uninformed voter and personally don't want them voting anyway.

 

[golfballs]

Are you anti-liberal in the context in which it was used?

He was unhappy there weren't more liberals with access

 

[therealUT]

if that's an accurate picture then I think it's a great example of why it should. It's been a requirement for a while now so any picture like that tells me people didn't really care. I take that an an uninformed voter and personally don't want them voting anyway.

While the legislation was passed in March, the IDs were not made available until August 27.

 

[golfballs]

While the legislation was passed in March, the IDs were not made available until August 27.

For those who really care, that seems like plenty of time. IMO

 

[utvolpj]

While the legislation was passed in March, the IDs were not made available until August 27.

people couldn't get a state issued ID between March and August? Or are you claiming that the DMV looks like that every day with people seeking a free one? If that's an every day thing then we might as well go ahead and close up shop.

also amazed that many people get to the DMV on a daily basis without having any ID. Buses must be packed because we know they're not driving

 

[therealUT]

For those who really care, that seems like plenty of time. IMO

Aside from the fact that the DOS and DOT state officials admit to the fact that they have not been able to handle the amount of individuals coming to get IDs thus far and they cannot be certain that they will be able to handle them over the next five weeks, I completely agree with your absolutely uninformed assertion.

 

[golfballs]

Aside from the fact that the DOS and DOT state officials admit to the fact that they have not been able to handle the amount of individuals coming to get IDs thus far and they cannot be certain that they will be able to handle them over the next five weeks, I completely agree with your absolutely uninformed assertion.

So what? Incompetency is not a valid excuse for fraudulent voting.

 

[therealUT]

people couldn't get a state issued ID between March and August? Or are you claiming that the DMV looks like that every day with people seeking a free one? If that's an every day thing then we might as well go ahead and close up shop.

also amazed that many people get to the DMV on a daily basis without having any ID. Buses must be packed because we know they're not driving

The free IDs were not made available until August 27. On top of that, the increase in initial DLs and initial IDs (both paid products) from March through September was over 1,000/month.

The State of Pennsylvania was not prepared to execute the Legislation in time for this election and, according to the facts presented in the Court Opinion, it would be difficult to make the argument that the citizens are at fault as opposed to the State Administration.

I also think it reasonable to suspect that at least one of the other states that passed voter ID legislation this year is facing similar challenges.

 

[therealUT]

So what? Incompetency is not a valid excuse for fraudulent voting.

If by no fault of your own, the state takes away your vote, you are okay with that?

 

[golfballs]

If by no fault of your own, the state takes away your vote, you are okay with that?

No, but it shouldn't be an excuse for fraudulent voting.

 

[therealUT]

No, but it shouldn't be an excuse for fraudulent voting.

So, you would not be okay with it; but, you would accept the burden, so that everyone else could vote in a fraud-free election?

 

[utvolpj]

The free IDs were not made available until August 27. On top of that, the increase in initial DLs and initial IDs (both paid products) from March through September was over 1,000/month.

The State of Pennsylvania was not prepared to execute the Legislation in time for this election and, according to the facts presented in the Court Opinion, it would be difficult to make the argument that the citizens are at fault as opposed to the State Administration.

I also think it reasonable to suspect that at least one of the other states that passed voter ID legislation this year is facing similar challenges.

the free ones is what I suspected. I still find it hard to imagine that people can get through life without an ID. The number of things that require a photo ID in this country is huge. I can't believe someone that needs a free $10 ID also isn't cashing a govt check or using govt money to fund their life. All of those require an ID right?

It's a farce. Maybe the ID requirement is too but it does serve a purpose. These people are up in arms about a govt agency not being able to fulfill their lawful requirements yet are perfectly willing to hand more over to the exact same govt. Eventually that stops making sense to even the dumbest of society

 

[hog88]

If by no fault of your own, the state takes away your vote, you are okay with that?

As an adult it is your fault for not having a state issued photo ID! How can a person reasonably function without one?

 

[golfballs]

As an adult it is your fault for not having a state issued photo ID! How can a person reasonably function without one?

They might be a philosophy major who has shunned physical things and gone to live in the woods with bears - only to emerge every election day to vote.

 

[golfballs]

the free ones is what I suspected. I still find it hard to imagine that people can get through life without an ID. The number of things that require a photo ID in this country is huge. I can't believe someone that needs a free $10 ID also isn't cashing a govt check or using govt money to fund their life. All of those require an ID right?

It's a farce. Maybe the ID requirement is too but it does serve a purpose. These people are up in arms about a govt agency not being able to fulfill their lawful requirements yet are perfectly willing to hand more over to the exact same govt. Eventually that stops making sense to even the dumbest of society

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[therealUT]

As an adult it is your fault for not having a state issued photo ID! How can a person reasonably function without one?

So, since they are at fault, because you thinking that a reasonable person cannot function without something entails a fault, and can be punished, then. The punishment is they lose the right to vote.

I do not see how a Citizen can reasonably function without owning a dictionary, a copy of the Constitution, and numerous volumes on Constitutional Law and Legislative procedure; I think that not owning and knowing such things constitutes a fault. Thus, one can be punished and the punishment should be the revocation of one's voting privileges.

We are speaking of adults and Citizens, are we not. It is reasonable to expect them to know what the Constitution says, how it has been interpreted, and how the government functions, correct?

 

[lawgator1]

The subtle sinister reality of these GOP efforts is that, each one, standing by itself, might seem perfectly reasonable. They are particularly easy to explain in bit size nuggets for the benefit of local and state media, as the GOP shenanigans meisters behind them proclaim innocently,"Hey, its just getting a drivers' license to make sure who is voting. No biggie."

The reality, of course, is that each step is just one more little hurdle making that much more of a pain in the butt for a particular class of voter to show up and vote. Any objective look at where these hurdles are being placed, i.e. the battleground states, and the fact that the GOP keeps getting absolutely pounded every time they go to court to try to defend one of these laws, should remove all doubt about the grand scheme of things here.

These provisions are designed to lower (suppress, if you want) turnout amongst those who are likely to vote Dem.

 

[hog88]

So, since they are at fault, because you thinking that a reasonable person cannot function without something entails a fault, and can be punished, then. The punishment is they lose the right to vote.

I do not see how a Citizen can reasonably function without owning a dictionary, a copy of the Constitution, and numerous volumes on Constitutional Law and Legislative procedure; I think that not owning and knowing such things constitutes a fault. Thus, one can be punished and the punishment should be the revocation of one's voting privileges.

We are speaking of adults and Citizens, are we not. It is reasonable to expect them to know what the Constitution says, how it has been interpreted, and how the government functions, correct?

This we agree.

Second paragraph is just your blather.

Without a photo ID how are they working, payng taxes, or contributing to society? Can you get gov't entitlements without a photo ID? If the answer is yes maybe that is where we need to start.

 

[therealUT]

This we agree.

Second paragraph is just your blather.

Without a photo ID how are they working, payng taxes, or contributing to society? Can you get gov't entitlements without a photo ID? If the answer is yes maybe that is where we need to start.

You can work, pay taxes, and contribute without a photo ID.

 

[golfballs]

The subtle sinister reality of these GOP efforts is that, each one, standing by itself, might seem perfectly reasonable. They are particularly easy to explain in bit size nuggets for the benefit of local and state media, as the GOP shenanigans meisters behind them proclaim innocently,"Hey, its just getting a drivers' license to make sure who is voting. No biggie."

The reality, of course, is that each step is just one more little hurdle making that much more of a pain in the butt for a particular class of voter to show up and vote. Any objective look at where these hurdles are being placed, i.e. the battleground states, and the fact that the GOP keeps getting absolutely pounded every time they go to court to try to defend one of these laws, should remove all doubt about the grand scheme of things here.

These provisions are designed to lower (suppress, if you want) turnout amongst those who are likely to vote Dem.

and fraudulent voters

 

[hog88]

You can work, pay taxes, and contribute without a photo ID.

Not many places I have ever heard of, you have to have 2 forms of ID for an I-9.