GOP faces set back in voter hurdle efforts

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hog88 said:
As an adult it is your fault for not having a state issued photo ID! How can a person reasonably function without one?
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No need for id means no credit cards which means u have bad credit and are very poor which is,just who obama needs to vote for him.
 
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NEOCON said:
No need for id means no credit cards which means u have bad credit and are very poor which is,just who obama needs to vote for him.
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I cannot remember the last time that anyone asked me for my ID when I have paid with either my credit card or my debit card. Further, many purchases can take place online.
 
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NEOCON said:
No need for id means no credit cards which means u have bad credit and are very poor which is,just who obama needs to vote for him.
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And could care less about the future of the country.
 
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therealUT said:
So, since they are at fault, because you thinking that a reasonable person cannot function without something entails a fault, and can be punished, then. The punishment is they lose the right to vote.

I do not see how a Citizen can reasonably function without owning a dictionary, a copy of the Constitution, and numerous volumes on Constitutional Law and Legislative procedure; I think that not owning and knowing such things constitutes a fault. Thus, one can be punished and the punishment should be the revocation of one's voting privileges.

We are speaking of adults and Citizens, are we not. It is reasonable to expect them to know what the Constitution says, how it has been interpreted, and how the government functions, correct?
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Dude....you're nothing more than a liberal pansy aggitator.....regardless of your true beliefs you will continue to play devil's advocate. You could probably be a good politician because you're more full of sheet than a stock yard
 
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So the judge set aside the one requirement that said if you don't have an ID you will complete a provisional ballot and then come back to the county voter registration office within a week with your photo ID. As it stands right now, if you don't have an ID or simply forget it, you'll fill out a provisional ballot and if no one else votes with your name, address etc, the ballot will count.

The legislature screwed up on this by passing it and trying to rush it through before the administration could get the procedure sorted out. Consequently there was never going to be enough time to issue the photo IDs to everyone, especially in the larger cities. In the smaller cities, like where I live in York or Lancaster, everything has gone smoothly and I've heard no complaints.

Bottom line, though, is the law will carry forth and be in place for all future elections.

BTW, the photo in the article shows a typical day at the DMV. You go to any DMV in the country on almost any given day and you'll see the same sort of image.

Voter ID ruling fires up Democratic base, but is expected to have little effect on election | PennLive.com

Voter ID decision: Gov. Tom Corbett leaning against an appeal of block | PennLive.com

http://www.pacourts.us/NR/rdonlyres...375C10/0/CMWSuppDetAppPrelInjOrder_100212.pdf

Voter ID decision: Time frame, number of issued cards led to judge's ruling | PennLive.com
 
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lawgator1 said:
The subtle sinister reality of these GOP efforts is that, each one, standing by itself, might seem perfectly reasonable. They are particularly easy to explain in bit size nuggets for the benefit of local and state media, as the GOP shenanigans meisters behind them proclaim innocently,"Hey, its just getting a drivers' license to make sure who is voting. No biggie."

The reality, of course, is that each step is just one more little hurdle making that much more of a pain in the butt for a particular class of voter to show up and vote. Any objective look at where these hurdles are being placed, i.e. the battleground states, and the fact that the GOP keeps getting absolutely pounded every time they go to court to try to defend one of these laws, should remove all doubt about the grand scheme of things here.

These provisions are designed to lower (suppress, if you want) turnout amongst those who are likely to vote Dem.
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Imagine that.. The ones without ID's would vote Dem.. Vote early and vote often the Dem way.. There just isn't a good excuse to not have ID...
 
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speaking of hurdles to voting, has Pennsylvania confirmed whether or not the New Black Panther party has been given the contract to provide "security" at Philadelphia polling places?
 
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MG1968 said:
speaking of hurdles to voting, has Pennsylvania confirmed whether or not the New Black Panther party has been given the contract to provide "security" at Philadelphia polling places?
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prolly
 
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Voter_ID_Laws.png


Just for reference, here's where the photo ID laws are. I see 2 battleground states. 3, if you count Arizona.
 
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therealUT said:
This picture goes a long way to demonstrating that this is a good ruling and that, at the earliest, these voter ID laws should not take effect until the 2014 elections.

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If you think we won't see the exact same scene at the DMV next time you're kidding yourself. If 10 weeks (I'm being generous with the 10 weeks cause we've known about this for at least a year) wasn't enough then 10 years wouldn't be either. Also... Regardless of when the free ones became available, I just don't know how I feel about an adult who can't come up with $10 to get an ID voting anyway. I have a 5 year old who could hit up her piggy bank and make that happen if she needed to.

A question to the ones whining about this. Regardless of the intentions of the rule, you really don't think it's a good idea to require a photo ID to vote?
 
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Cdywolfe said:
If you think we won't see the exact same scene at the DMV next time you're kidding yourself. If 10 weeks (I'm being generous with the 10 weeks cause we've known about this for at least a year) wasn't enough then 10 years wouldn't be either. Also... Regardless of when the free ones became available, I just don't know how I feel about an adult who can't come up with $10 to get an ID voting anyway. I have a 5 year old who could hit up her piggy bank and make that happen if she needed to.

A question to the ones whining about this. Regardless of the intentions of the rule, you really don't think it's a good idea to require a photo ID to vote?
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Don't worry about reading the opinion of the court that states very clearly that the stations have been in over there heads since the very day they started to issue the DOS ID cards and that it is the government administration that cannot handle the crowds. Yeah, do not worry about.

Congrats, $10 is not a big expense for you. Good job.
 
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Interesting discussions on local (politically independent) talk radio yesterday afternoon on this. The show's host characterized the whole issue as an election security issue and was comfortable that using a photo ID was a fairly reasonable way to enhance the security of the election process. I agree with that position. However, those who were against it could not and would not accept his position. Not only were they against the use of a photo ID, but they admitted they would prefer to remove all security measures just to ensure that everyone was able to vote. In other words, they would be okay with no election judges, no registration requirements, no signing in at the polling center--you just show up and vote and whatever happens happens. Interesting statements from some callers who claimed to represent the Democrat Party in Pennsylvania to say the least.
 
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GAVol said:
Voter_ID_Laws.png


Just for reference, here's where the photo ID laws are. I see 2 battleground states. 3, if you count Arizona.
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What are you counting? PA and FL? I would throw MI in there as well. So, 3-4 battleground states.

However, it looks like at first glance roughly 50% of the states requiring photos are GOP leaning.
 
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rjd970 said:
What are you counting? PA and FL? I would throw MI in there as well. So, 3-4 battleground states.

However, it looks like at first glance roughly 50% of the states requiring photos are GOP leaning.
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10 of those 14 are going for Romney.
 
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therealUT said:
Don't worry about reading the opinion of the court that states very clearly that the stations have been in over there heads since the very day they started to issue the DOS ID cards and that it is the government administration that cannot handle the crowds. Yeah, do not worry about.

Congrats, $10 is not a big expense for you. Good job.
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First off... If it was $500 then I could see the fuss but anyone who wants to prioritize can manage $10 and you know it.

Second... If you think they're not going to be "in over their heads" in 4 years then you and the court of that state clearly have your heads up your asses. All that will happen is they'll think "oh I don't need it this time", put it off, and we'll be back in the same spot next time. Also that picture looked like a fairly standard DVM scene to me.

Third... You didn't answer my question. You shouldn't have to identify yourself to vote?
 
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Cdywolfe said:
First off... If it was $500 then I could see the fuss but anyone who wants to prioritize can manage $10 and you know it.
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Fair enough, you support a pay to vote principle. Just letting you know that such a principle is unconstitutional.

Cdywolfe said:
Second... If you think they're not going to be "in over their heads" in 4 years then you and the court of that state clearly have your heads up your asses. All that will happen is they'll think "oh I don't need it this time", put it off, and we'll be back in the same spot next time. Also that picture looked like a fairly standard DVM scene to me.
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If you fail to see the difference in saying that since the time the government began offering the free IDs up to the election, it is the government that has been overwhelmed and cannot handle the consistent, daily traffic and a scenario in which the government is offering these IDs yet no one is coming in for four years to get them, then I do not know what else to say. Right now, the reason these individuals do not have the DOS IDs is due to the failure of government administration; if they do not have them in four years, it will most likely be because of their own failure.

Cdywolfe said:
Third... You didn't answer my question. You shouldn't have to identify yourself to vote?
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One should not have to do so with a photo ID.
 
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therealUT said:
Fair enough, you support a pay to vote principle. Just letting you know that such a principle is unconstitutional.



If you fail to see the difference in saying that since the time the government began offering the free IDs up to the election, it is the government that has been overwhelmed and cannot handle the consistent, daily traffic and a scenario in which the government is offering these IDs yet no one is coming in for four years to get them, then I do not know what else to say. Right now, the reason these individuals do not have the DOS IDs is due to the failure of government administration; if they do not have them in four years, it will most likely be because of their own failure.



One should not have to do so with a photo ID.
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How do we know you are who you say you are?
 
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Gerrymandering has affected more elections than fraudulent voters. I have no problems with a photo I.D. but do have issue's with a government entity requiring one, but limiting access to them. Such as PA is doing.

How about anyone with a photo ID can vote anywhere within the US? Dissolve precincts and districts. Your vote will be lodged in your home state gathered from your ID. Local and State elections same thing - just used established counties instead of districts and precincts.
 
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therealUT said:
How does the ID issuing center "know who you say you are"?

How did anyone "know who you said you were" in the 18th, 19th, and early to mid 20th centuries?
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Correct. What seems so odd is that the assault on voters has become prevalent in the past rove,,err,,dozen or so years.
 
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therealUT said:
How does the ID issuing center "know who you say you are"?

How did anyone "know who you said you were" in the 18th, 19th, and early to mid 20th centuries?
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Sorry to break it to you, but things have changed a little since then. I don't think they had too much fraudulent voting in the 1844 election.
 
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