GOP: Wait until the CBO numbers come out! Oh, now that we know them, the CBO sucks!

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This thread is not about whether the Congressional Budget Office estimates for the Senate healthcare plan are correct. That is going to take some doing to figure out.

This thread is about the fact that all day yesterday the GOP and their schills on conservative talk radio were relishing in the release of the CBO estimates and predicting it would doom the Senate plan.

The numbers came out late yesterday and they were lower than expected in terms of overall expense, and predicted the plan would result in a net SURPLUS to the budget of $81 billion over ten years.

This morning, on the radio on that insipid Fox morning show, the talk of the conservatives is that the CBO can't be trusted, they are political, etc.

This thread is about the blatant 180 pulled over night by the GOP about the weight to be given the CBO numbers. They will say and do whatever it takes to make this plan fail, and to make this President fail. They should be ashamed of themselves for their utter lack of any semblance of intellectual honesty.
 
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lawgator1 said:
This thread is not about whether the Congressional Budget Office estimates for the Senate healthcare plan are correct. That is going to take some doing to figure out.

This thread is about the fact that all day yesterday the GOP and their schills on conservative talk radio were relishing in the release of the CBO estimates and predicting it would doom the Senate plan.

The numbers came out late yesterday and they were lower than expected in terms of overall expense, and predicted the plan would result in a net SURPLUS to the budget of $81 billion over ten years.

This morning, on the radio on that insipid Fox morning show, the talk of the conservatives is that the CBO can't be trusted, they are political, etc.

This thread is about the blatant 180 pulled over night by the GOP about the weight to be given the CBO numbers. They will say and do whatever it takes to make this plan fail, and to make this President fail. They should be ashamed of themselves for their utter lack of any semblance of intellectual honesty.
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hahahaha please like pelosi and company didn't want W to fail. give me a break with the sob story
 
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The Dems routinely blasted the CBO when it went against them.

It's called politics. Man up and call out both sides.
 
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lawgator1 said:
This thread is not about whether the Congressional Budget Office estimates for the Senate healthcare plan are correct. That is going to take some doing to figure out.

This thread is about the fact that all day yesterday the GOP and their schills on conservative talk radio were relishing in the release of the CBO estimates and predicting it would doom the Senate plan.

The numbers came out late yesterday and they were lower than expected in terms of overall expense, and predicted the plan would result in a net SURPLUS to the budget of $81 billion over ten years.

This morning, on the radio on that insipid Fox morning show, the talk of the conservatives is that the CBO can't be trusted, they are political, etc.

This thread is about the blatant 180 pulled over night by the GOP about the weight to be given the CBO numbers. They will say and do whatever it takes to make this plan fail, and to make this President fail. They should be ashamed of themselves for their utter lack of any semblance of intellectual honesty.
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you're such a liberal sheep gator.
 
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I still don't understand LG's fascination with Fox, given he finds them so despicable.
 
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Most democrats don't even like the Baucus bill and the liberals hate it. I guarantee they will use the sketchy CBO budget report to now argue that the health care bill should be expanded to cover more people.
 
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lawgator1 said:
They should be ashamed of themselves for their utter lack of any semblance of intellectual honesty.
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Stop with the trumped up outrage. It's just politics.

. . . besides, you sound like a po'd Mom yelling at a PTA meeting.
 
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Awaiting the outrage thread from LG RE: Dem's refusal to allow the "legislative language" version of the bill to be scored prior to voting on it.

So much for their intellectual honesty.
 
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volinbham said:
The Dems routinely blasted the CBO when it went against them.

It's called politics. Man up and call out both sides.
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Anyone in this position should be consistent. If you can find an example where the Dems, prior to release of CBO numbers about a particular plan, said the numbers will tell the story, and then afterwards said the numbers for that plan couldn't be trusted, I will agree with you.



rjd970 said:
I still don't understand LG's fascination with Fox, given he finds them so despicable.
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Because Fox is the face of the Republican party. All of their venom, their barely beneath the surface racism, their quack logic.... if you want to go to one place to get the best representation of the GOP as a whole, that's the one place.

Not saying everyone is 100 % in agreement on all issues. Just that overall Fox is best measure of where that party is, on the whole.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Anyone in this position should be consistent. If you can find an example where the Dems, prior to release of CBO numbers about a particular plan, said the numbers will tell the story, and then afterwards said the numbers for that plan couldn't be trusted, I will agree with you.






Because Fox is the face of the Republican party. All of their venom, their barely beneath the surface racism, their quack logic.... if you want to go to one place to get the best representation of the GOP as a whole, that's the one place.

Not saying everyone is 100 % in agreement on all issues. Just that overall Fox is best measure of where that party is, on the whole.
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give me a break, ur full of it. msnbc is WAY worse than Fox ever wished to be. CNN is bad as well. Can I say that MSNBC is the best measure of where the Dem party is as a whole?
 
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lawgator1 said:
not saying everyone is 100 % in agreement on all issues. Just that overall i've built fox up in my mind to be the best measure of where that party is on the whole because it makes it easier for me to generalize.
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fyp

Seriously, this is ridiculous. A couple of months ago Democrats were up in arms because they thought the CBO was underestimating the cost savings of their healthcare plans. It's just a matter of which way the wind is blowing.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Anyone in this position should be consistent. If you can find an example where the Dems, prior to release of CBO numbers about a particular plan, said the numbers will tell the story, and then afterwards said the numbers for that plan couldn't be trusted, I will agree with you.
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So any Dem lauding the CBO numbers now who criticized their scoring of prior bills will qualify correct? (why do I expect your answer will be no).
 
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Anyone that buys that this program will result in a surplus to the treasury is an absolute dreamer.
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lawgator1 said:
Anyone in this position should be consistent. If you can find an example where the Dems, prior to release of CBO numbers about a particular plan, said the numbers will tell the story, and then afterwards said the numbers for that plan couldn't be trusted, I will agree with you.






Because Fox is the face of the Republican party. All of their venom, their barely beneath the surface racism, their quack logic.... if you want to go to one place to get the best representation of the GOP as a whole, that's the one place.

Not saying everyone is 100 % in agreement on all issues. Just that overall Fox is best measure of where that party is, on the whole.
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lol, you libs are pathetic. all you can do is call repubs racist when you have no actual facts. the fact is the dems have done more to destroy black Americans. even back to slavery, you guys have been the cause of million black American deaths. (including abortions). sadly, though you education system has kept them to ignorant to see what's going on.
 
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volinbham said:
So any Dem lauding the CBO numbers now who criticized their scoring of prior bills will qualify correct? (why do I expect your answer will be no).
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Because it would be silly if it were otherwise.

I am not saying that the CBO is always right or is the be all and end all of the discussion. You have to look at it as a snapshot in time and as to a particular plan. Otherwise that's like saying that since the U.S. government was wrong in McCarthyism, its wrong in Iraq.

In this particular case, the GOP went from practically giddy at the spectre of bad CBO numbers for this plan to totally dismissive of the CBO numbers once they knew what they were.

Find an analogous situation with the Dems, and I will be equally critical. It just can't be generic.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Find an analogous situation with the Dems, and I will be equally critical. It just can't be generic.
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I just posted one. Dems including Obama complained that the scoring is inaccurate. Now that the scoring suits their needs, it's suddenly vindication for their plan.

Both sides are ridiculous on this issue.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Because it would be silly if it were otherwise.

I am not saying that the CBO is always right or is the be all and end all of the discussion. You have to look at it as a snapshot in time and as to a particular plan. Otherwise that's like saying that since the U.S. government was wrong in McCarthyism, its wrong in Iraq.

In this particular case, the GOP went from practically giddy at the spectre of bad CBO numbers for this plan to totally dismissive of the CBO numbers once they knew what they were.

Find an analogous situation with the Dems, and I will be equally critical. It just can't be generic.
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Oh, I see. Being wrong in the past means they'll be right in the future. Nice point.
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Name the actual republicans by name who said this. Are we talking TV or radio personalities here or people actually holding office?

I imagine it was some personality you speak of, why do they represent the majority of republicans and why do you continue to lump them all together like they take marching orders from one or two people?
 
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volinbham said:
I just posted one. Dems including Obama complained that the scoring is inaccurate. Now that the scoring suits their needs, it's suddenly vindication for their plan.

Both sides are ridiculous on this issue.
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Waiting on the inevitable post from LG stating how different that situation was, when what he really means is that doesn't count because I agree with them.
 
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Coach Barack Obama, everyone would get playing time on his team, especially those 5%.
 
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volinbham said:
I just posted one. Dems including Obama complained that the scoring is inaccurate. Now that the scoring suits their needs, it's suddenly vindication for their plan.

Both sides are ridiculous on this issue.
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BigPapaVol said:
Oh, I see. Being wrong in the past means they'll be right in the future. Nice point.
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KB5252 said:
Waiting on the inevitable post from LG stating how different that situation was, when what he really means is that doesn't count because I agree with them.
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I do not disagree with any of you that both sides champion the CBO numbers when they like them, and decry them when they don't. Both sides are hypocritical in that respect, no doubt.

If you look at OP, and my subsequent comments, I am taking particular delight in watching the GOP spin on its head over a 12 hour period on specific numbers for a specific plan.

Had they been saying yesterday at 4 p.m., well, these CBO numbers aren't dependable, that would be one thing. But they were epxressly saying they were, and expressly for this particular plan, at this particular moment in time, and then they went into full scale retreat.

There was actually one radio guy, can't remember his name, who said that if the CBO cost numbers came in under $900 billion, he vowed to chop his microphone up and eat it. They were $821 billion.

Well?
 
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