GOP: Wait until the CBO numbers come out! Oh, now that we know them, the CBO sucks!

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#26
So, there is not yet an actual bill being scored by the CBO -- just the Baucus committee idea for the bill. And, any bill that does pass the Senate will be twisted a hundred ways in reconciliation with the House version. But, let's suppose that everything turns out exactly as the CBO has scored it. Where is this "surplus" coming from? The bill is to be paid by tax increases and Medicare cuts.

There are no actual savings. The democrats can make any plan show a surplus if they build in enough new taxes and/or Medicare cuts.

Please don't act like this is saving anybody any money.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Other than you getting a phat pay check, why do you have a hard on for gov't?
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1. It ain't that "phat."

2. As someone who gets involved in cleaning up the mess after a government failure, I've seen it all, and the four basic food groups are:

a) People flat out making up the claim that government did the wrong thing;

b) People thinking that government did the wrong thing because they don't know any better;

c) Government doing the wrong thing because it is misdirected or values the wrong thing over time;

d) Government did the wrong thing by simple mistake.


The real culprit, from a philosophical point of view, is c, but the number of cases that fall into that category is really very low. If they make a mistake, it is usually not purposeful or because they are moving in the wrong direction. It is because someone just makes a simple mistake.

Therefore, I am fascinated by the subset c, like to think I realize it when I see it, but get really aggravated by a and b.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Anyone in this position should be consistent. If you can find an example where the Dems, prior to release of CBO numbers about a particular plan, said the numbers will tell the story, and then afterwards said the numbers for that plan couldn't be trusted, I will agree with you.
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What's the big freaking deal? If I say there's no way something can be done with a reasonable budget and someone else says otherwise, I can say I don't believe them.
 
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lawgator1 said:
There was actually one radio guy, can't remember his name, who said that if the CBO cost numbers came in under $900 billion, he vowed to chop his microphone up and eat it. They were $821 billion.

Well?
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I'd advise you to find other people stupid enough to listen to that garbage and discuss the issue with them. As you've been told dozens of times, no one here gives a damn.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I do not disagree with any of you that both sides champion the CBO numbers when they like them, and decry them when they don't. Both sides are hypocritical in that respect, no doubt.

If you look at OP, and my subsequent comments, I am taking particular delight in watching the GOP spin on its head over a 12 hour period on specific numbers for a specific plan.

Had they been saying yesterday at 4 p.m., well, these CBO numbers aren't dependable, that would be one thing. But they were epxressly saying they were, and expressly for this particular plan, at this particular moment in time, and then they went into full scale retreat.

There was actually one radio guy, can't remember his name, who said that if the CBO cost numbers came in under $900 billion, he vowed to chop his microphone up and eat it. They were $821 billion.

Well?
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Yep - pretty much what I expected.
 
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volinbham said:
Yep - pretty much what I expected.
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Good.

Means that I, unlike the GOP and the radio and FOX News freakzoids championing their cause, am consistent and predictable.

Actually, they are predictable. Anything Obama says, they say is fascist, socialist, communist, race baiting, expensive, terrorist apologist, anti-Semitic, and designed solely to pay off political debts to the union mobsters of Chicago.
 
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lawgator1 said:
1. It ain't that "phat."

2. As someone who gets involved in cleaning up the mess after a government failure, I've seen it all, and the four basic food groups are:

a) People flat out making up the claim that government did the wrong thing;

b) People thinking that government did the wrong thing because they don't know any better;

c) Government doing the wrong thing because it is misdirected or values the wrong thing over time;

d) Government did the wrong thing by simple mistake.


The real culprit, from a philosophical point of view, is c, but the number of cases that fall into that category is really very low. If they make a mistake, it is usually not purposeful or because they are moving in the wrong direction. It is because someone just makes a simple mistake.

Therefore, I am fascinated by the subset c, like to think I realize it when I see it, but get really aggravated by a and b.
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You and I would get along very well!

:)
 
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lawgator1 said:
Good.

Means that I, am consistent and predictable.
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Honestly, you've become so predictable that there is really no more reason for you to post. Everyone already knows what you are going to say before you post it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Good.

Means that I, unlike the GOP and the radio and FOX News freakzoids championing their cause, am consistent and predictable.

Actually, they are predictable. Anything Obama says, they say is fascist, socialist, communist, race baiting, expensive, terrorist apologist, anti-Semitic, and designed solely to pay off political debts to the union mobsters of Chicago.
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Beig predictably inconsistent in the applicatio of your faux outrage about political hypocrisy is hardly virtuous. In fact, it essentially makes you one of those that you pretend to loathe.
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kptvol said:
Honestly, you've become so predictable that there is really no more reason for you to post. Everyone already knows what you are going to say before you post it.
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Yeah, one more on the bandwagon. Who else is with us?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Beig predictably inconsistent in the applicatio of your faux outrage about political hypocrisy is hardly virtuous. In fact, it essentially makes you one of those that you pretend to loathe.
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I read that five times and, even correcting for spelling, can't quite make sense of it. Help a brother out?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I read that five times and, even correcting for spelling, can't quite make sense of it. Help a brother out?
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You mean you struggled with the n's being omitted from application and being? Otherwise, if you couldn't understand, don't bother.
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#43
CBO numbers mean nothing without the actual legislative language.

deficit reduction of 81 billion...puh leaze... the deficit for FY2009 is 1.3 trillion.
 
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MG1968 said:
CBO numbers mean nothing without the actual legislative language.

deficit reduction of 81 billion...puh leaze... the deficit for FY2009 is 1.3 trillion.
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i believe that they are assumming 4% growth....ain't gunna happen
 
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