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#26
#26
hatvol96 said:
Smokers, heavy drinkers, and the significant portion of the population that is disgustingly fat. That's just the start of the list.
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the #1 killer in this country is heart disease, and the #2 is cancer. Are you saying that the majority of these people are either smokers, heavy drinkers, or disgustingly fat?
 
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#29
oklavol said:
the #1 killer in this country is heart disease, and the #2 is cancer. Are you saying that the majority of these people are either smokers, heavy drinkers, or disgustingly fat?
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Last time I saw an AMA chart, the majority of America is substantially overweight, so yes. I don't even have to count the smokers, drinkers, and people who engage in a number of other activities that can contribute to either of the diseases you mentioned to answer in the affirmative.
 
#30
#30
hatvol96 said:
Last time I saw an AMA chart, the majority of America is substantially overweight, so yes. I don't even have to count the smokers, drinkers, and people who engage in a number of other activities that can contribute to either of the diseases you mentioned to answer in the affirmative.
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Let me phrase the arguement this way. The majority of people in this country are much more worried about getting heart disease or cancer then they are about getting hiv.
 
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#32
oklavol said:
Let me phrase the arguement this way. The majority of people in this country are much more worried about getting heart disease or cancer then they are about getting hiv.
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The majority of Americans aren't hypochondriacal nut jobs. They're not worried about getting any particular disease.
 
#33
#33
allvol123 said:
Doesn't matter either way. The US government should not be a medical center.
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That's easy for you to say while you're healthy.

So you're saying our country should provide no healthcare whatsoever and not try to cure diseases? If you are in fact saying that, who do you think should be responsible for that, how would it work and how would we benefit from it?

Surely you're not crazy enough to just want to drop it all and hope you don't get anything.
 
#34
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hatvol96 said:
The majority of Americans aren't hypochondriacal nut jobs. They're not worried about getting any particular disease.
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you dont have to be a "hypochondriacal nut job" to know the majority of the people in this country are more likely to die from heart disease or cancer then hiv/aids.
 
#35
#35
oklavol said:
you dont have to be a "hypochondriacal nut job" to know the majority of the people in this country are more likely to die from heart disease or cancer then hiv/aids.
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I know that factoid. However, I've never given a minute's concern to fears of being afflicted by any of the three.
 
#36
#36
hatvol96 said:
However, I've never given a minute's concern to fears of being afflicted by any of the three.
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I wish that I could say the same. My father is battling cancer as we type. I can't help but think about it from time to time considering I'm around it all the time. I try not to think about it too much and I'm trying to eat healthy, workout and live right, but in my mind, you can't really eat, workout or live your way out of genetics.
 
#37
#37
OWB said:
I wish that I could say the same. My father is battling cancer as we type. I can't help but think about it from time to time considering I'm around it all the time. I try not to think about it too much and I'm trying to eat healthy, workout and live right, but in my mind, you can't really eat, workout or live your way out of genetics.
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True, and my maternal genetic line has an atrocious history of coronary problems. However, being one who believes that we are all just playing our individual roles in a predetermined drama, I simply don't worry about it. I hope your father is doing as well as one can when battling a serious illness.
 
#38
#38
hatvol96 said:
However, being one who believes that we are all just playing our individual roles in a predetermined drama, I simply don't worry about it.
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I just wish the director had hired more talented actors for the script.
 
#39
#39
OWB said:
That's easy for you to say while you're healthy.

So you're saying our country should provide no healthcare whatsoever and not try to cure diseases? If you are in fact saying that, who do you think should be responsible for that, how would it work and how would we benefit from it?

Surely you're not crazy enough to just want to drop it all and hope you don't get anything.
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You really don't know the health of me or my family members.

Correct. Our government should not be in the business of curing diseases aside from an epidemic that threatens the existence of the country. As for healthcare, we have kind of created a mess in terms of dependence, but yes this should be weened. People should spend their own money for their healthcare, that is how it should work.

The government dropping it is not "dropping it all". People should direct their money towards non-profit research entities that they are most passionate about. I doubt the government is passionate about curing any disease. Who gets fired because disease X was not cured this year? No one in the government.
 
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#40
hatvol96 said:
I hope your father is doing as well as one can when battling a serious illness.
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Thanks..

It has been a learning experience for everyone involved. I will say that the price of chemo is absolutely frightening. At one point, my father was on a new chemo drug that cost around $17,000 a pop. That's a lot of money to pay for poison being pumped into your system.

The most valuable thing I guess I've learned is this, if you get cancer, make sure you have good insurance (if there is such a thing) and / or have some money saved up.
 
#41
#41
allvol123 said:
These are just as misspent as any dollar going to AIDS in Africa or any other disease in any other country.
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Well Said, Sir. If they haven't learned the risks of AIDS and the methods that it is spread, than they are morons. I know that they don't have the universal media access that the Western World has, but after 20 years of being told to do XYZ, or avoid doing ABC, it's not our problem.

(NOTE: I have a member of my spouse's IMMEDIATE FAMILY who has the HIV virus. I'm not saying i don't wish for a cure, nor am i saying i don't care. I have to deal with it every day.)

But why should I, as a citizen of a governement with a strong economy, and a semi-substantial amount of excess capitol, have my tax dollars that could be used on infrastructure, national defense, or enforcing our immigration laws, which only lead to more problems by not paying mind to them, spent to tell things to African Nations that they have been told for the past 20 years and paid no heed to??
 
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