Government Cover UP??

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There is a new Documentary coming out covering the Pat Tillman story. I've read a little bit about this since he died and it seems that a Major cover up is a possibility but a grey area still exists. What do you guys think happened? Has anyone kept up with this since his death?
 
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It's a Michael Moore flick, TIFWIW.

There was some fudging of reports as to fratricide, and the officers responsible were punished.

Moore will surely find a way to blame Bush, you know the drill.
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JTrainDavis said:
It's a Michael Moore flick, TIFWIW.

There was some fudging of reports as to fratricide, and the officers responsible were punished.

Moore will surely find a way to blame Bush, you know the drill.
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No this isn't a Moore Flick. Amir Bar-lev directed it.
 
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My mistake.

In the same ilk, a film made with an agenda that the sheep will eat as facy
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My mistake.

In the same ilk, a film made with an agenda that the sheep will eat as fact
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JTrainDavis said:
My mistake.

In the same ilk, a film made with an agenda that the sheep will eat as facy
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The only agenda the film has is exposing liars for what they are. The article in this month's GQ is a fair summary of events and explains in crystal clear terms why Tillman's family is rightfully mad as Hell.
 
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MG1968 said:
it's obviously Bush's fault.
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Screw it lets not blame anybody. Not Bush not Obama not the Military either. If this was indeed a government cover up, I'm sure it was a one-time thing never to happen again and we should all just sit back and take what we are told as truth. Even when the reports are conflicting and the evidence suggest otherwise, we should just forget all about it. Yeah,thats it and then we can call ourselves good americans because were not questioning possible injustices that our government could be responsible for. Ignorance is Bliss.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
Screw it lets not blame anybody. Not Bush not Obama not the Military either. If this was indeed a government cover up, I'm sure it was a one-time thing never to happen again and we should all just sit back and take what we are told as truth. Even when the reports are conflicting and the evidence suggest otherwise, we should just forget all about it. Yeah,thats it and then we can call ourselves good americans because were not questioning possible injustices that our government could be responsible for. Ignorance is Bliss.
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actually, we know what happened. Tillman was killed by friendly fire during a gun battle. It was initially covered up, possibly, in part, due to his celebrity status. The cover-up was discovered and exposed. Those responsible have been held accountable, or they're in the process of being held accountable.

Friendly fire casualties are especially tragic, but they've always been a part of war. To politicize Tillman's death is reprehensible but not surprising.
 
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MG1968 said:
actually, we know what happened. Tillman was killed by friendly fire during a gun battle. It was initially covered up, possibly, in part, due to his celebrity status. The cover-up was discovered and exposed. Those responsible have been held accountable, or they're in the process of being held accountable.

Friendly fire casualties are especially tragic, but they've always been a part of war. To politicize Tillman's death is reprehensible but not surprising.
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But does it not bother you that it was covered up in this first place. Why do we get the "kid" treatment as a society. The relationship of government and society should be one based on trust but its seems too often that we are doing all the trusting and they are doing all the lying.

Maybe its my youth but I am getting tired of Magic Bullet Theories, Money Laundering, Big Businesses owning politicians,Scandles,Invisible weapons of mass destruction,Government Bailouts so CEO's can get bonuses for being idiots,The Entire Bush Administration and Everything and Everybody Affiliated with it, Sarah Palin, and Finally Finally Finally we get an inspirational leader who is going to change Washington and politics as we know it, Yet 2 and half years into his term I can't think of One thing that has gotten done to build a better America. ( He's certainly got us in more debt though).

How can a country that has so many great people who work hard and care about other people have such crappy leadership. This Pat Tillman thing is just another example of BS that people that WE PAY do.
 
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Fratricide is hard to explain on a report, and looks bad on OERs. Sucks, but thats how it works, I wouldnt call it a cover up
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hatvol96 said:
The only agenda the film has is exposing liars for what they are. The article in this month's GQ is a fair summary of events and explains in crystal clear terms why Tillman's family is rightfully mad as Hell.
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Pat Tillman's mom told the LA Slimes that the noted liberal Gen McChrystal was the biggest liar of them all.
 
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hatvol96 said:
The only agenda the film has is exposing liars for what they are. The article in this month's GQ is a fair summary of events and explains in crystal clear terms why Tillman's family is rightfully mad as Hell.
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No it's a psyop, part of an ongoing psychological warfare effort, all of the works of Amir Bar-lev have a political slant.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
Fratricide is hard to explain on a report, and looks bad on OERs. Sucks, but thats how it works, I wouldnt call it a cover up
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Yeah, flat out lying to the family and attempting to award Pat a Silver Star indicates this was simply a misunderstanding.
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MG1968 said:
To politicize Tillman's death is reprehensible but not surprising.
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You mean like John McCain showing up at Pat's memorial to babble about the war effort and run off at the mouth with a bunch of religious nonsense despite the fact Tillman had long sense lost faith in the mission and didn't give the first damn about a bunch of Bible thumping jibberish?
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Burning Tillman's body armor and his diary just screams that everything was on the up and up.
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"He's not with God. He's ******* dead. He's not religious. So, thanks for your thoughts, but he's f**cking dead."

Rich Tillman's response to McCain's idiocy at the memorial service.
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"You don't give a Silver Star for attitude."

Pat Tillman, Sr.'s reaction to the military's ridiculous attempt to award Tillman a Silver Star despite the fact he was killed by friendly fire.
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The Silver Star is awarded for Gallentry in Action against an enemy force...

So the fraticide incident has no bearing on whether Tillman would be eligilble and should be awarded the Silver Star..

If his men, peer's and more imprtantly his on the ground Commander thought his actions that day, displayed "gallantry in action, against an enemy force" he would be submitted for and awarded the Silver Star.

The suggestion that he was awarded the Silver Star because of a cover up, does a dis-service to the other men and women in the fight that have earned that Medal
 
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vol_in_il said:
The suggestion that he was awarded the Silver Star because of a cover up, does a dis-service to the other men and women in the fight that have earned that Medal
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No, that's exactly what giving the award to someone who there is no credible evidence even encounterted an enemy force that day would have done. That's why the Tillmans rightly told the Army to shove their Silver Star.
 
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The Army addressed that concern....by his "intentions" that they were fighting an enemy force and didn't recoginize that the platoon was firing on each other
 
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vol_in_il said:
The Army addressed that concern....by his "intentions" that they were fighting an enemy force and didn't recoginize that the platoon was firing on each other
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"Addressed that concern" being code for "we're trying to keep using a guy as a PR goldmine despite the fact he had become sickened by the mission and his family is going to hate us when they learn the truth so we'll throw a medal at him."
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I doubt the family's reaction came into play on the decision to award the Silver Star.
He died April 22nd, and April 28th the Silver Star was approved. At the time of the award approval, details surrounding his death we're still being sorted out, and his family was dealing with his loss. I highly doubt that in the span of 5-6 days, the family was hell bent on exposing or even aware of a gov't cover up..
 
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