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#27
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volinbham said:
Seriously?
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Yes. I'll make a deal with you.

You tell me a book from an obviously right-leaning philosophy, we'll read it and Frank's book, and then we'll see if we're enlightened anymore than we were before.
 
#28
#28
TennNC said:
Are you comparing a 5-time book writing WSJ columnist with a PhD from the University of Chicago to Rush Limbaugh?
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As a holder of a PhD, I don't believe that makes one's arguments any more valid.

I bet Limbaugh has written numerous books and has been a guest columnist in several respected publications.
 
#29
#29
TennNC said:
Hardcore marxist might be strong. But that doesn't matter.

I didn't try to pass him off as moderate or right. The intent was to show that even if he is leftist, he's been educated at respected (and IMO right-leaning, but that's beside the pt) institutions, and is even a columnist in the WSJ. Which means even the conservative editors at the WSJ think his opinions are worth considering.

So, to not read what he has to say simply b/c of his philosophy is a cop-out.
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I didn't say I'll not read it. I just said that he's a Marxist, and that's not remotely strong.

Even he admitted that he's a columnist at WSJ purely as a reputable hardcore lefty.
 
#31
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TennNC said:
Are you comparing a 5-time book writing WSJ columnist with a PhD from the University of Chicago to Rush Limbaugh?
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I'll be happy to make the comparison, except that Limbaugh is apparently more entertaining.
 
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volinbham said:
As a holder of a PhD, I don't believe that makes one's arguments any more valid.

I bet Limbaugh has written numerous books and has been a guest columnist in several respected publications.
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With all due respect to you, I absolutely believe that being an expert in the subject at hand makes one's arguments more valid. A PhD is a strong indicator of expertise in a given subject. Which is why I defer to you and posters like BPV on economic issues that make me want to lay down and take a nap.

If Rush were to give an expert opinion, it would be on the personal effects of OD-ing on prescription medicine and how to use AM radio as a propaganda tool.
 
#36
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TennNC said:
With all due respect to you, I absolutely believe that being an expert in the subject at hand makes one's arguments more valid. A PhD is a strong indicator of expertise in a given subject. Which is why I defer to you and posters like BPV on economic issues that make me want to lay down and take a nap.

If Rush were to give an expert opinion, it would be on the personal effects of OD-ing on prescription medicine and how to use AM radio as a propaganda tool.
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I love how liberals like you take the moral high ground on lots of subjects, but then make comments like that. Pure class. At least Rush didn't kill anyone like Teddy.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I didn't say I'll not read it. I just said that he's a Marxist, and that's not remotely strong.

Even he admitted that he's a columnist at WSJ purely as a reputable hardcore lefty.
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Why don't you, Bham and I do an experiment then. You all decide upon a hard-core righty book, I'll choose Frank's book, we'll read them both and see what happens.
 
#38
#38
TennNC said:
Yes. I'll make a deal with you.

You tell me a book from an obviously right-leaning philosophy, we'll read it and Frank's book, and then we'll see if we're enlightened anymore than we were before.
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You mistook the meaning of my "seriously" comment. I meant it as "seriously you consider my lack of interest in reading Frank's book as a cop-out?"

I read the exerpt and I read his interview. Neither of those sparked my interest in hearing more of what this guy has to say.

I don't typically read political philosophy books of any background. I don't see a reason to start with this one.
 
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TennNC said:
With all due respect to you, I absolutely believe that being an expert in the subject at hand makes one's arguments more valid. A PhD is a strong indicator of expertise in a given subject. Which is why I defer to you and posters like BPV on economic issues that make me want to lay down and take a nap.

If Rush were to give an expert opinion, it would be on the personal effects of OD-ing on prescription medicine and how to use AM radio as a propaganda tool.
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Do you think that Frank's work is somehow not a propaganda tool for his own views?
 
#41
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TennNC said:
If Rush were to give an expert opinion, it would be on the personal effects of OD-ing on prescription medicine and how to use AM radio as a propaganda tool.
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lucky for you there are no glass houses on the liberal side.
 
#43
#43
volinbham said:
I don't typically read political philosophy books of any background. I don't see a reason to start with this one.
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you seem perfectly comfortable discussing political philosophy on here. So why not read from those who spend their professional lives delving into it?
 
#45
#45
volsforever27 said:
I love how liberals like you take the moral high ground on lots of subjects, but then make comments like that. Pure class. At least Rush didn't kill anyone like Teddy.
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Oh, I'm supposed to feel sorry for Rush? Give me a break. The guy is complete slime, and you know it.

And do I speak for all liberals? Do I give a rat's a$$ about Ted Kennedy? Why would you think that? Oh, I remember - if you're not with us, you're against us. It's easier to make sense of things that way.
 
#46
#46
TennNC said:
you seem perfectly comfortable discussing political philosophy on here. So why not read from those who spend their professional lives delving into it?
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Do you double dare me?

I've had several political economy classes. I've read books from many different perspectives. Is there more to learn? Sure.

One thing that was always true after reading them was that each had it's own agenda, it's own world view. The incremental "enlightenment" I received has gotten smaller and smaller.

Nothing I've read so far about Frank or his conclusions has sparked my interests.

So in the end I'm a close-minded cop-out since I don't want to read this man's book.
 
#47
#47
BigPapaVol said:
lucky for you there are no glass houses on the liberal side.
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Bring them up, and I'll criticize them too. Since we were on the subject of Rush, I went there. Slime is slime, no matter what their political affiliation.
 
#48
#48
volinbham said:
Do you double dare me?

I've had several political economy classes. I've read books from many different perspectives. Is there more to learn? Sure.

One thing that was always true after reading them was that each had it's own agenda, it's own world view. The incremental "enlightenment" I received has gotten smaller and smaller.

Nothing I've read so far about Frank or his conclusions has sparked my interests.

So in the end I'm a close-minded cop-out since I don't want to read this man's book.
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I double dog dare you.

I can't teach this old dog new tricks, eh?
 
#49
#49
TennNC said:
Bring them up, and I'll criticize them too. Since we were on the subject of Rush, I went there. Slime is slime, no matter what their political affiliation.
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Murtha, Kennedy, Reid, Pelosi... you've yet to criticise any of those that I've seen. That's just a few of the politicians on your side.


As far as commentators, Franken, Huffington, Krug, I could go on and on. If slime is slime, you seem to be selective about who you criticise.

Hope I'm not letting my complex get the best of me again.
 
#50
#50
TennNC said:
Bring them up, and I'll criticize them too. Since we were on the subject of Rush, I went there. Slime is slime, no matter what their political affiliation.
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surely you knew that was in jest.

I had nobody in mind, but both sides are littered with trash.
 
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