GQ article on why Peyton is the GOAT

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butchna said:
when answering one of your questions, all I usually have to say is Dooley and wait for the cartoon violence :)
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I think you and I understand each other very well by now. :)

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Stats nothwithstanding, the real GOAT for all ages is a player that played in the dark ages. That era where playing by the rules didn't mean a "dam" thing. That era where the smartest thing a referee could do was get the "hail" out of the way. That player, that GOAT QB in all eras, and will remain so for ages to come, is: Slinging Sammy Baugh. I love me some Peyton, you bet. Sammy's stats don't even nibble at Peyton's to be cold-blood and frank. But see here, our man Pey, unlike Sammy, didn't also do tripe duty as a QB, DB, and punter. And genuinely excel in all three positions. Now just picture the toughness, stamina, and strength needed for this. His rookie passing yards in a playoff game remained unbroken until 2012. In one game he threw 4TDs and as a DB made 4 interceptions. I could go on but the point is, we don't have ironmen like we did back in the day. And sorry, Tony Stark, you don't count as they were iron without the hi-tech protective armor. Long live Prince Peyton, but King Slinging Sammy is dead. Long live the king!
 
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Wylo said:
Brady has been to 5 Super Bowls. He's doing okay for himself. Spygate helped, I'm sure, but that had nothing to do with the two he lost. Miracle plays and tough defense is what the Giants used to beat them.

Hopefully Peyton can get another ring this season to quiet the ring discussion.
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Nevermind the miracle plays/officiating calls that helped the Pats win a couple.
 
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I-bleed-orange said:
Brady had a darn good defense during his SB winning seasons. Once he lost Bruschi and Rodney Harrison they we not as dominant of a team. And everyone has heard the saying that "defense wins championship," with which I agree. Sooo now that doesn't apply? It annoys me to hear people put a single entire game on the shoulders of one player.

That's like blaming a game on the pitcher because he gave up a run in the 7th inning and they lost 1-0. Never mind that his team didn't score, it was the pitcher's for giving up the run.
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I agree completely. It has always amazed me that in the biggest team sport in the world (53-man rosters), people use team accomplishments as their argument for why player A is better than player B. One need only compare Trent Dilfer, Joe Flacco, & Ben Roethlisberger, who have 1, 1, and 2 rings, respectively, to Dan Marino, who has zero, to see how little water that argument holds.

I've always said Manning has been the better QB, and Brady has had the better TEAM's. Does anyone really think the Pats wouldn't have AT LEAST 3 rings if Manning had been playing in NE w/Belichick all those years?

Furthermore, look at the last 8-9 years. Brady is undoubtedly a better QB then than he was from '01-'04, and with absolutely incredible weapons to throw to, yet they haven't won any since then.

When I was a young, naive kid growing up, I used to laugh at the "offense wins games, defense wins championships" adage. I would've said offense is more important, but it's so obviously clear that defense is the most important aspect in terms of winning championships. Manning has never had an elite defense. Not many QB's can say they have a SB ring despite a lack of an elite D.
 
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woodsmanvol said:
stats nothwithstanding, the real goat for all ages is a player that played in the dark ages. That era where playing by the rules didn't mean a "dam" thing. That era where the smartest thing a referee could do was get the "hail" out of the way. That player, that goat qb in all eras, and will remain so for ages to come, is: Slinging sammy baugh. I love me some peyton, you bet. Sammy's stats don't even nibble at peyton's to be cold-blood and frank. But see here, our man pey, unlike sammy, didn't also do tripe duty as a qb, db, and punter. And genuinely excel in all three positions. Now just picture the toughness, stamina, and strength needed for this. His rookie passing yards in a playoff game remained unbroken until 2012. In one game he threw 4tds and as a db made 4 interceptions. I could go on but the point is, we don't have ironmen like we did back in the day. And sorry, tony stark, you don't count as they were iron without the hi-tech protective armor. Long live prince peyton, but king slinging sammy is dead. Long live the king!
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blasphemer!!!!
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Stats nothwithstanding, the real GOAT for all ages is a player that played in the dark ages. That era where playing by the rules didn't mean a "dam" thing. That era where the smartest thing a referee could do was get the "hail" out of the way. That player, that GOAT QB in all eras, and will remain so for ages to come, is: Slinging Sammy Baugh. I love me some Peyton, you bet. Sammy's stats don't even nibble at Peyton's to be cold-blood and frank. But see here, our man Pey, unlike Sammy, didn't also do tripe duty as a QB, DB, and punter. And genuinely excel in all three positions. Now just picture the toughness, stamina, and strength needed for this. His rookie passing yards in a playoff game remained unbroken until 2012. In one game he threw 4TDs and as a DB made 4 interceptions. I could go on but the point is, we don't have ironmen like we did back in the day. And sorry, Tony Stark, you don't count as they were iron without the hi-tech protective armor. Long live Prince Peyton, but King Slinging Sammy is dead. Long live the king!
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That might be a great argument for Sammy as the greatest player of all time but not the greatest Quarterback of all time - that is Peyton's title and his alone IMHO.

Moreover, they were definitely some very tough dudes back then (as was the whole country) but they also did not have the size or speed that is on the field now - meaning that the hits were just not the same. Granted they had crappy protection equipment 70 years ago but the injuries were not the same as now - the difference of having a car hit you at 15 miles per hour vs a semi-truck hitting you at 20 miles per hour.
 
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jkleno said:
GQ= Sports Guru. HA. They need to stick to 1/2 dressed babes instead of a poor GOAT column. That article stunk. #1 reason Peyton is GOAT according to author was obsessive study. Give me a break.
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Joe Montana is still the best QB ever. If I want to win championships, he is my guy. Period. Also, Montana played QB when it was still legal to kill quarterbacks and wide receivers. There were no "targeting" rules and not nearly as many pass interference calls. This is why both Brady's and Manning's stats are inflated and why neither is the best of all time. Give me Montana all day long.
 
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rcvol said:
Joe Montana is still the best QB ever. If I want to win championships, he is my guy. Period. Also, Montana played QB when it was still legal to kill quarterbacks and wide receivers. There were no "targeting" rules and not nearly as many pass interference calls. This is why both Brady's and Manning's stats are inflated and why neither is the best of all time. Give me Montana all day long.
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As a Montana GOAT guy, this won't end well my friend. Lol
 
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Sammy Baugh may have been great or even the GOAT two way player, I'll give you that. Sammy cannot be given QB points for playing defense. But now that we are seeing Peyton come into the maturity of his pro career there is no doubt he is the GOAT NFL QB period.
 
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TGVol said:
Sounds about right - one for each of the major records Peyton broke this year. Given this is a Vols football forum its amazing someone could actually have a problem with that. Or perhaps we should instead start another 6 new threads about how much all of our former coaches sucked? Would that be more enjoyable to read?
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Football is a team sport. People on this board make such a big deal out of Peyton's individual stats when the only stat that matters is W/L. What I'd rather talk about is Peyton winning the SB in Feb. The rest of it is just window dressing.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
What I'd rather talk about is Peyton winning the SB in Feb.
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It's not either/or proposition - we can talk about individual accomplishments now and will for sure also talk about that SB if it happens - perhaps maybe even start another 6 threads about it :crazy:
And it's not like we are in the middle of the college football season - what else do you want to talk about instead that is more fun than Peyton rubbing it into all the haters' faces?
But if you are bored with it don't read these threads - seems like there are enough other people here who are enjoying this topic.
 
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rcvol said:
Joe Montana is still the best QB ever. If I want to win championships, he is my guy. Period. Also, Montana played QB when it was still legal to kill quarterbacks and wide receivers. There were no "targeting" rules and not nearly as many pass interference calls. This is why both Brady's and Manning's stats are inflated and why neither is the best of all time. Give me Montana all day long.
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I agree. When I say Manning is better than Brady, that is all I'm saying. We will never know how Manning would have stood up in the 1980s, especially when DEs and OLBs started actually specializing in pass rushing.

I admire Manning, and I think only a retarded buffoon would think Brady is anywhere near his skill level. HOWEVER, I will still take Montana, Marino, Elway, and Kelly over Manning any day.
 
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rcvol said:
Joe Montana is still the best QB ever. If I want to win championships, he is my guy. Period. Also, Montana played QB when it was still legal to kill quarterbacks and wide receivers. There were no "targeting" rules and not nearly as many pass interference calls. This is why both Brady's and Manning's stats are inflated and why neither is the best of all time. Give me Montana all day long.
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We know you're not a Vol fan.
 
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iluvsmesumdooley said:
I agree. When I say Manning is better than Brady, that is all I'm saying. We will never know how Manning would have stood up in the 1980s, especially when DEs and OLBs started actually specializing in pass rushing.

I admire Manning, and I think only a retarded buffoon would think Brady is anywhere near his skill level. HOWEVER, I will still take Montana, Marino, Elway, and Kelly over Manning any day.
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I could see your point with Montana, perhaps Elway in terms of ability. But Kelly never won a SB, did not put up the numbers that Manning has, and Marino never won a SB and at Peyton's current age, was a shadow of his former self.
 
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Not to take anything away from Montana, because he was the most clutch QB I know, but he had an amazing supporting cast of Craig, Rice, and Taylor as well as a pretty good defense on the other side of the ball. Look also at how Steve Young stepped in and was able to keep the ball rolling until age finally caught up with them.
 
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Godfatha said:
Not to take anything away from Montana, because he was the most clutch QB I know, but he had an amazing supporting cast of Craig, Rice, and Taylor as well as a pretty good defense on the other side of the ball. Look also at how Steve Young stepped in and was able to keep the ball rolling until age finally caught up with them.
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He won two Superbowls without Rice.
 
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Gandalf said:
- there is no controversy in the statement that he has the most field awareness of any quarterback ever to play the game - and maybe any player ever to play the game.
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And most coaching staffs. He carried the offensive staff in Indy.
 
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