Grant Hill's Response To Fab 5.

#26
#26
IPorange said:
That's what kind of struck me as odd about those original comments. It isn't like those coaches don't try and recruit top talent wherever they find it.
Click to expand...
Not true of K or Knight after the early 90s. Knight willfully gave up the Ws to avoid pandering and K got burned by a couple and just quit going the iffy route.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
#27
#27
Whitlock has always come across as a pious jerk to me.

The nyt selection was certainly intended.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
#29
#29
yont sum iss? said:
That's what I took it as. Rose was just telling the truth about how he felt at that time, as an 18 year old. With that said, it's unfortunate that those coming from successful black families are thought of as "Uncle Toms" because of it. I'm sure that those who look at guys like Hill that way feel the same about the President, right?
Click to expand...

Seeing as how our president was raised by his white mother and grandmother, I doubt it.

I understood the context of Rose's comments. Those were his thoughts as a teen.

What I found interesting was Rose giving credit to Christian Laettner for being a much better player than he originally thought. In my opinion it was Laettner, not Duke's black players that fueled the hatred for Coach K's program in the early 90s...and not so much for him being white as much as it was him being an arrogant prick.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
#30
#30
Eh, I found Hill's response just the type of Duke sanctimoniousness I can't stand. Rose was clearly trying to convey his mindset as an 18 year old as well as the socioeconomic divide that causes kids from inner city Detroit to hate Duke and how both sides of the divide are portrayed. People took the comments at face value and didn't bother to examine them as Rose laid it out. Hill could've understood this and took the comments as such, but, no, he had to write this public response to an 18 year old kid in 1992. Duke has always been a bastion of self-righteousness and Hurley's and Hill's responses have confirmed this to me.

And, sorry, I'll say it. People are loving the comments by Hill because it fits into their conception of inner city blacks being whiny-ass ingrates and hatred of the hip hop culture. Whitlock has a point about the Hoyas, to an extent, but the Fab Five's cultural significance is huge. The fact that so many are trying to downplay it reminds me of that time period in which anything those guys did was the most horrible thing ever imagined in the history of college basketball.
 
#31
#31
Unimane said:
Eh, I found Hill's response just the type of Duke sanctimoniousness I can't stand. Rose was clearly trying to convey his mindset as an 18 year old as well as the socioeconomic divide that causes kids from inner city Detroit to hate Duke and how both sides of the divide are portrayed. People took the comments at face value and didn't bother to examine them as Rose laid it out. Hill could've understood this and took the comments as such, but, no, he had to write this public response to an 18 year old kid in 1992. Duke has always been a bastion of self-righteousness and Hurley's and Hill's responses have confirmed this to me.

And, sorry, I'll say it. People are loving the comments by Hill because it fits into their conception of inner city blacks being whiny-ass ingrates and hatred of the hip hop culture. Whitlock has a point about the Hoyas, to an extent, but the Fab Five's cultural significance is huge. The fact that so many are trying to downplay it reminds me of that time period in which anything those guys did was the most horrible thing ever imagined in the history of college basketball.
Click to expand...

Wrong. I love the comments because he basically told him to shove it up has ass, but did it with style and class. Almost poetic.
 
#32
#32
pl3 said:
Wrong. I love the comments because he basically told him to shove it up has ass, but did it with style and class. Almost poetic.
Click to expand...

Yeah, maybe not you, but I'm sure that's the general consensus, especially in this day were racism exists almost only in ways you can also deny being racist. That way people can judge the Fab Five with racially-loaded terms and ideas like "thugs", but throw their hands up when accused of being racist.
 
#33
#33
Unimane said:
Yeah, maybe not you, but I'm sure that's the general consensus, especially in this day were racism exists almost only in ways you can also deny being racist. That way people can judge the Fab Five with racially-loaded terms and ideas like "thugs", but throw their hands up when accused of being racist.
Click to expand...

If you say so.
 
#34
#34
The_Orange_Pearl said:
If you say so.
Click to expand...

I have reconsidered my entire argument based upon this succinct, yet devastating logic. I see the whole world in an entirely new light now, thank you.

If you don't realize "thug" is a racially loaded term, then you are living in a box. It's not like I originated this idea, nor am the first one bringing it to light. Thug is just another way of saying "I don't like how these inner city black guys look and act" without saying those words.
 
#35
#35
Lawrence Wright said:
I understood the context of Rose's comments. Those were his thoughts as a teen.


Posted via VolNation Mobile
Click to expand...


.....as did I.

Grant didn't harm himself with the response. But, it came across as a guy responding to something he's tried to shake since his Duke days.

A "no comment" would have sufficed, IMO.
 
#36
#36
Unimane said:
I have reconsidered my entire argument based upon this succinct, yet devastating logic. I see the whole world in an entirely new light now, thank you.

If you don't realize "thug" is a racially loaded term, then you are living in a box. It's not like I originated this idea, nor am the first one bringing it to light. Thug is just another way of saying "I don't like how these inner city black guys look and act" without saying those words.
Click to expand...

Alright. Regardless of your view, it's not going to stop me from saying "thug" though. Just curious, do you get this upset when people say "white trash"? I say it regularly. How about when someone refers to a grown man as "white boy"? It's a two way street. Hopefully you're taking the time to lecture both sides.
 
#37
#37
It goes beyond racism when blacks descriminate against blacks. Hill was able to intelligently describe the struggle that black people have faced in his family for generations while Rose just seemed like a jealous thug. Growing up with a single mom struggling to make ends meet etc etc. Guess what I know plenty of white people like that who didn't get a D1 scholarship to play ball & made the best of a bad situation.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
#38
#38
govols/cc said:
It goes beyond racism when blacks descriminate against blacks. Hill was able to intelligently describe the struggle that black people have faced in his family for generations while Rose just seemed like a jealous thug. Growing up with a single mom struggling to make ends meet etc etc. Guess what I know plenty of white people like that who didn't get a D1 scholarship to play ball & made the best of a bad situation.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
Click to expand...

You're now racist.
 
#39
#39
govols/cc said:
It goes beyond racism when blacks descriminate against blacks. Hill was able to intelligently describe the struggle that black people have faced in his family for generations while Rose just seemed like a jealous thug. Growing up with a single mom struggling to make ends meet etc etc. Guess what I know plenty of white people like that who didn't get a D1 scholarship to play ball & made the best of a bad situation.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
Click to expand...


....teenagers tend to say and believe stupid things.


I'll give you jealous.

I know plenty of poor people who are jealous of rich people.
 
Last edited:
#41
#41
Dont get the racism rant. I thought the salient point was about coachable players vs. those who won't ever be coached to a degree that will make them win at the highest level. It was a commitment point from Whitlock and wasn't at all about race or culture.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
#42
#42
BigPapaVol said:
Dont get the racism rant. I thought the salient point was about coachable players vs. those who won't ever be coached to a degree that will make them win at the highest level. It was a commitment point from Whitlock and wasn't at all about race or culture.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
Click to expand...

Except that Whitlock has made his bones about a "hip hop culture" very clear before this and the Fab 5 was pretty much predicated on their cultural influence. So, with Whitlock, I don't think it's racial, I think it's about a cultural milieau he doesn't approve of and is clearly represented by the Fab 5. As for the racial angle (by others commenting, past and present), I think that goes with the usual code words and phrases trotted out, like "thug" and "he just rolls the balls out".

As for my opinion on the Fab 5, I enjoyed them, even though they weren't my favorite team and wanted the Heels to take them down. I do understand where they are coming from, though, in their comments and understand why they despised Duke, even if it was through representations in the media.
 
#44
#44
Did Fischer not just roll the ball out?

I don't see that as racial and I don't see the big race angle in Whitlock's article. He's a race slinging bastage typically, but I thought this was legitimately about different approaches to actual basketball. He gave them their props for the style silliness, but tried to boil it down to basketball, where the fab 5 just didnt get it done.

Oh, and white guys were thugs long before this modern era, where intolerance is the ultimate sin.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
#48
#48
droski said:
I do not dislike the Fab Five.

*cough* bull**** *cough*
Click to expand...

I don't buy that either. I actually don't dislike the Fab 5, but I thought Whitlock's basketball point was on the money. I couldn't give a crap less about all the social gobbledygook.
 
#49
#49
BigPapaVol said:
I don't buy that either. I actually don't dislike the Fab 5, but I thought Whitlock's basketball point was on the money. I couldn't give a crap less about all the social gobbledygook.
Click to expand...

i particurally liked teh point where he pointed out they played for a white rich university too. spot on. but it's pretty clear whitlock is no fan of style over substance.
 
#50
#50
I don't really care about the Fab 5 or Duke and have never cheered for either but to me, I thought it was pretty clear Rose's Unlce Tom comments were more how he felt at the time and were because he was jealous of the life G.Hill had because Rose's own dad was a loser father.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top