Great Achievement Vols! Nice win.

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dlw4n said:
Just in case you don't remember this from your med school lectures (I don't remember seeing you there that day), I'll provide scientific evidence that you can't argue.

Return to Activity After Knee Arthroscopy 10.1016/j.arthro.2007.07.026 : Arthroscopy: The Journal of Arthroscopic & Related Surgery | ScienceDirect.com

"By 2 weeks postoperatively, only 74% described knee-related activity restriction, a significant difference (P = .039); this improved to 38% at 4 weeks and was only 4% at 20 weeks. In addition, 82% returned to light activity such as walking, housework, or yard work after 1 week, with 94% after 2 weeks and 100% after 4 weeks."

That means that 75% of patients were restricted in activity 2 weeks out, and this activity is no doubt not nearly as strenuous as playing division 1 basketball.

The Cleveland clinic says return to office work a week out and active lifestyle somewhere between 1 and 2 months.

Knee Arthroscopy

Most people don't even get a post-op visit to evaluate their return to more strenuous activity until 2 weeks after the procedure.
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I make my living for the past 18 years in the medical business off of getting people back on their feet after surgeries and currently work with 100+ orthopods and 5 universities.
Have you been in a surgery before? I have had 12 on myself, and have been in the OR for thousands.

A surgeon can look around in a 2 minute procedure through a scope to see if there is any structural damage. If no tissue is removed and there is no sign of a ligament or meniscal tear, the small incisions are closed. That player could play anywhere from 3-7 days, depending on the swelling, bleeding and pain tolerance.
I don't care what your book says.
And ask your ortho buddies why the AAOS is so passive in their timelines. And tell the Dr. Elrod, Titans team doctor, that an exploratory scope will keep out one of his players 6-8 weeks. Better yet, tell him to tell the Titans. He would no longer be the team doc.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Our football team was on the bubble of making a bowl game.....if they had a smaller secondary system maybe the football team would have made that LOL
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Football does have a smaller secondary system. It's called the Music City Bowl.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I make my living for the past 18 years in the medical business off of getting people back on their feet after surgeries and currently work with 100+ orthopods and 5 universities.
Have you been in a surgery before? I have had 12 on myself, and have been in the OR for thousands.

A surgeon can look around in a 2 minute procedure through a scope to see if there is any structural damage. If no tissue is removed and there is no sign of a ligament or meniscal tear, the small incisions are closed. That player could play anywhere from 3-7 days, depending on the swelling, bleeding and pain tolerance.
I don't care what your book says.
And ask your ortho buddies why the AAOS is so passive in their timelines. And tell the Dr. Elrod, Titans team doctor, that an exploratory scope will keep out one of his players 6-8 weeks. Better yet, tell him to tell the Titans. He would no longer be the team doc.
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You not caring what scientific studies and textbooks say is why you work around medicine and not in it.

If you are so confident in arguing your anecdotal history against ACTUAL medical training, the show me a documented case of a college or pro athlete returning to action within 3-7 days of having arthroscopy. If it's so easy, it shouldn't be hard to find an archived ESPN article right?

I'm fine being wrong and will admit when I am, but I offer evidence (which is what people working in academic medicine do) and so far you only offer opinion.
 
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Also, I mean no disrespect as well and am now curious more than anything. I wish we still had the ability to do private message.

Apologize to all for the derail.
 
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volroadwarrior said:
We played a lot of backups, but teams driving to the basket and making points in the paint along with being out hustled on defensive rebounds are a cause for concern. I hope Kenny Hall can get back soon to get some minutes. I don't know if he is in game shape after missing games and practice. CCM might keep him out for the rest of the season. Who knows?
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I would just like to know what Kenny Hall done.It had to be a major team rule he broke.Iwould like to see him come back if he gets his crap together and can perform better on the court.He IS AN AWFUL BIG BOY TO ONLY GET AROUND 4 POINTS AND 4 REBS A GAME.i think he has not help this team at all..If he cant come back and give 110% and double his averages in points and rebounds'Then he is a wasted space and there should be one more scolership for next year.
 
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dlw4n said:
You not caring what scientific studies and textbooks say is why you work around medicine and not in it.

If you are so confident in arguing your anecdotal history against ACTUAL medical training, the show me a documented case of a college or pro athlete returning to action within 3-7 days of having arthroscopy. If it's so easy, it shouldn't be hard to find an archived ESPN article right?

I'm fine being wrong and will admit when I am, but I offer evidence (which is what people working in academic medicine do) and so far you only offer opinion.
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its all good. You just threw your med school in my face and I reacted. I have seen surgery and outcomes for many years, but your experience is through studies.
Are you familiar with ODG? They are guidelines from years ago based off of old treatments and protocol, yet they are guidelines. You quote ODG guidelines to a good surgeon and he'd laugh.
You will find out as you go that the AAOS and such are great societies and publications, but not all things are documented and AAOS would never put it's name behind something that may get them sued if a surgeon followed what they say. And if you are an ortho surgeon and only follow AAOS guidelines, your competition is lapping you.

How long does AAOS say is standard recovery from an ACL?
How long did Wes Welker take before getting on the field? It took him, what, 1/2 or 1/4 of the recovery time as stated in studies? And that's a major reconstruction. An arthroscopy doesn't mean anything was done except looking around. No tendons, ligaments or meniscus are disrupted and the portals are placed to limit damage upon insertion.
 
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bigsteve13 said:
I love the battle of the doctors we've got going on here. +1 for VolNation for being smart
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I am by no means a doctor. I have been around orthopaedic surgeons and athletes for years in my business and am just giving my opinion based off of that experience and from conversations with surgeons and patients, many of whom were and are athletes.

AAOS and others are guidelines are good, and they are burned into heads of young doctors.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I am by no means a doctor. I have been around orthopaedic surgeons and athletes for years in my business and am just giving my opinion based off of that experience and from conversations with surgeons and patients, many of whom were and are athletes.

AAOS and others are guidelines are good, and they are burned into heads of young doctors.
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That's why that first study paper I linked the abstract to was so good. It basically said there are a bunch of guidelines but no solid scientific study (until theirs) on what is reasonable recovery time. It looked like 4 weeks was a point where everyone was doing some light activity, and most were doing moderate activity. Lots of variables. Not easily predictable person to person.

Sorry for throwing med training out there. It was my dbag knee jerk reaction to being told I was wrong without any substantiation. We are all good. Thanks for your input. Regardless, I doubt Maymon was scoped.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I am by no means a doctor. I have been around orthopaedic surgeons and athletes for years in my business and am just giving my opinion based off of that experience and from conversations with surgeons and patients, many of whom were and are athletes.

AAOS and others are guidelines are good, and they are burned into heads of young doctors.
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this is the internet my friend. you can be anything you want to be
 
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