Gun sales way up.

#29
#29
bleedorange1983 said:
To protect fawns on our property. And plus there is no season on coyote, so they can be hunted year-round.
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So, you kill coyotes so that you can kill deer later? That makes perfect sense.

If you could get all your nutrition from a less expensive and tastier non-meat source, would you still kill deer?
 
#30
#30
therealUT said:
So, you kill coyotes so that you can kill deer later? That makes perfect sense.

If you could get all your nutrition from a less expensive and tastier non-meat source, would you still kill deer?
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We would need to reintroduce bigger prey animals if we wanted to stop hunting deer.
 
#32
#32
therealUT said:
Encouraging individuals to purchase instruments primarily used to inflict violence against other humans is analogous to preaching violence. Neither is committing violence, they are simply empowering persons to commit violence.
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I'm afraid I still can't agree with that association. To "preach violence" (for whatever cause/reason) is to encourage/approve/condone such acts. Purchasing/owning a firearm simply does not.

What percentage of AR platform rifles privately purchased in this country do you think will ever be aimed at a person with intent to harm?

A famous quote by Shane frome the movie of the same name:
"A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that."

A baseball bat in the hands of a brutal man is a far more violent thing than an M4 in the hands of a man who simply enjoys shooting.
 
#33
#33
hndog609 said:
I'm afraid I still can't agree with that association. To "preach violence" (for whatever cause/reason) is to encourage/approve/condone such acts. Purchasing/owning a firearm simply does not.

What percentage of AR platform rifles privately purchased in this country do you think will ever be aimed at a person with intent to harm?

A famous quote by Shane frome the movie of the same name:
"A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that."

A baseball bat in the hands of a brutal man is a far more violent thing than an M4 in the hands of a man who simply enjoys shooting.
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What percentage of those who are preached violence actually commit violence? I would surmise that it is an extremely low percentage; might be as low or lower as those who listen to sermons about doing good actually doing good.

Both these tools (preaching and arming) simply empower one to do the act; whether one commits said act is a distinct matter. I am against both.
 
#34
#34
therealUT said:
What percentage of those who are preached violence actually commit violence? I would surmise that it is an extremely low percentage; might be as low or lower as those who listen to sermons about doing good actually doing good.

Both these tools (preaching and arming) simply empower one to do the act; whether one commits said act is a distinct matter. I am against both.
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I'm trying to avoid this going in circles.

There is NOTHING inherently violent in a weapon's ownership or use. (outside of that use being violent of course. Well, other than maybe one with a lot of recoil. :)) Go back to my Shane quote...a gun is absolutely not one jot more violent than the person wielding it. This should be wholly unambiguous.

There is NOTHING about "preaching violence" that does not advocate violence. Whether these preachings are acted upon makes no difference as far as the preachings themselves are concerned. This should be wholly unambiguous.
 
#35
#35
hndog609 said:
I'm trying to avoid this going in circles.

There is NOTHING inherently violent in a weapon's ownership or use. (outside of that use being violent of course. Well, other than maybe one with a lot of recoil. :)) Go back to my Shane quote...a gun is absolutely not one jot more violent than the person wielding it. This should be wholly unambiguous.

There is NOTHING about "preaching violence" that does not advocate violence. Whether these preachings are acted upon makes no difference as far as the preachings themselves are concerned. This should be wholly unambiguous.
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Preaching violence is not inherently violent. Advocating violence and persuading individuals to procure instruments of violence (the primary purpose of an assault rifle is and always has been to efficiently kill other persons) are analogous.
 
#38
#38
gsvol said:
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Americans buy record numbers of guns for Christmas - Telegraph



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The average American sees the **** hitting the fan and doesn’t want to face the near future unarmed. That’s the legacy of the Kenyan.

It was Obama with the knife to gunfight, get in their faces, we’ll handle this the Chicago Way etc that wrought this wonderful turnaround.
 
#39
#39
If you consider your opinion that of the average American, then this country really, really sucks.
 
#42
#42
DinkinFlicka said:
Silly. I've never needed more than a bat.
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Be prepared....and honestly did you ever need the bat?

The value is in the fact that every burglar knows every homeowner is packing heat...

Kennesaw, GA passed a city ordinance requiring all homeowners to own and maintain a gun. Crime has plummeted in the 3 decades since....and there's only been 1 gun-related murder.

25 years murder-free in ‘Gun Town USA’
 
#43
#43
DinkinFlicka said:
If you consider your opinion that of the average American, then this country really, really sucks.
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I don't think it's a stretch to attribute the upswing to fears of Dem policies and possible reelection of BO.
 
#44
#44
nbakerld said:
Be prepared....and honestly did you ever need the bat?

The value is in the fact that every burglar knows every homeowner is packing heat...

Kennesaw, GA passed a city ordinance requiring all homeowners to own and maintain a gun. Crime has plummeted in the 3 decades since....and there's only been 1 gun-related murder.

25 years murder-free in ‘Gun Town USA’
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Do you believe the only and/or prime reason for the decrease in crime rate is due to the presence of firearms?

Or, might it be the fact that this is a small town with enough gumption and attitude to force all members to own handguns simply in response to gun bans elsewhere?

I would attribute this more to some brand of personality, community cohesion, and an in-your-face attitude that pervades said community.
 
#45
#45
therealUT said:
Do you believe the only and/or prime reason for the decrease in crime rate is due to the presence of firearms?

Or, might it be the fact that this is a small town with enough gumption and attitude to force all members to own handguns simply in response to gun bans elsewhere?

I would attribute this more to some brand of personality, community cohesion, and an in-your-face attitude that pervades said community.
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I don't really know where all the credit should go. First of all, I disagree with a law requiring homeowners to have guns, even if I like the result.

Second, the crime rate in this small town was above the national average, and it immediately fell by 74% the year after the ban. The following year it fell another 45%. It seems the law played a big part. The city was 5,000 strong in 1982, and is now close to 30,000 in population, so demographically it's changed a lot.
 
#49
#49
owning guns for home defense...you wussies. I have a katana and a dry sense of humor that have defended my home fine.
 
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