Guns don't kill

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Ed12111 said:
You can't be that dumb. I don't think anyone said banning guns would stop every murder, but it would decrease the amount. The nation you used as an illustration has much fewer murders than we do. What part didn't you get.
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Great Britain also has 1/10th the population that we do and they don't have a problem with gang violence in the inner cities. If there was some way to remove gang on gang violence from the US numbers, I bet our murder rate, per capita, would be about the same as GB's.
 
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MG1968 said:
Great Britain also has 1/10th the population that we do and they don't have a problem with gang violence in the inner cities. If there was some way to remove gang on gang violence from the US numbers, I bet our murder rate, per capita, would be about the same as GB's.
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No it wouldn't. In fact, the number given to you was per capita.
 
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MG1968 said:
Great Britain also has 1/10th the population that we do and they don't have a problem with gang violence in the inner cities. If there was some way to remove gang on gang violence from the US numbers, I bet our murder rate, per capita, would be about the same as GB's.
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No Cripps in GB?
 
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Ed12111 said:
I'm not opposed to hunting rifles.
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Are you splitting hairs with the type?

I have 3 shotguns and a rifle. All but 1 would probably take down/kill a man or animal from any reasonable range.

In that case it gets back to the intent of the operator.
 
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utvolpj said:
please define a "hunting rifle"
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Not a gun expert, but certainly nothing automatic and probably a limit on the bullet caliber that sort of thing. If you're a gun enthusiast then I'm sure you know the difference between something made for hunting and an AR-15.
 
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Ed12111 said:
Not a gun expert, but certainly nothing automatic and probably a limit on the bullet caliber that sort of thing. If you're a gun enthusiast then I'm sure you know the difference between something made for hunting and an AR-15.
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The AR-15's round is smaller than most hunting rifles.

Also, I've never had any of my guns try to kill me as far as I know.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Are you splitting hairs with the type?

I have 3 shotguns and a rifle. All but 1 would probably take down/kill a man or animal from any reasonable range.

In that case it gets back to the intent of the operator.
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Of course, but limiting the firepower would limit the amount of damage one could do. I would also make it harder to obtain the weapons.
 
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Ed12111 said:
Not a gun expert, but certainly nothing automatic and probably a limit on the bullet caliber that sort of thing. If you're a gun enthusiast then I'm sure you know the difference between something made for hunting and an AR-15.
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autos are illegal already and you couldn't hunt with an AR? Any gun with an aggressive stock must be bad. I have at least 3 that are more powerful than that but they're ok I guess. Fact is it's people who are ignorant about guns that are the most against them.
 
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Ed before you get all into "limiting weapons" you need to remember that "the people" that is so sacred in the first amendment are the same "the people" in the second. I should be able to buy a damn tank if I can afford one.
 
#38
#38
utvolpj said:
autos are illegal already and you couldn't hunt with an AR? I have at least 3 that are more powerful than that but they're ok I guess. Fact is it's people who are ignorant about guns that are the most against them
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I'm not going to pretend to know which specific gun does what, but any reasonable person knows there are weapons available that are above and beyond anything necessary to hunt. You could hunt with an AR you could hunt with a grenade. You don't need either.
 
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666 said:
Ed before you get all into "limiting weapons" you need to remember that "the people" that is so sacred in the first amendment are the same "the people" in the second. I should be able to buy a damn tank if I can afford one.
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Nukes too!!!!
 
#40
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Ed12111 said:
I'm not going to pretend to know which specific gun does what, but any reasonable person knows there are weapons available that are above and beyond anything necessary to hunt. You could hunt with an AR you could hunt with a grenade. You don't need either.
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why pick an AR to take a stand about? Do you know anything about them or are they just scary looking? Because I could make a .22 look just as mean but without the firepower
 
#41
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Ed12111 said:
Not a gun expert, but certainly nothing automatic and probably a limit on the bullet caliber that sort of thing. If you're a gun enthusiast then I'm sure you know the difference between something made for hunting and an AR-15.
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Im not a up on what the weapon of choice is in murders. I assume it is the most convenient to obtain even in premeditated situations. Which could be anything. I have no use for AR-15 types therefore I have none.

The problem with gun control legislation, is instead of focusing the real problem, the solution is disarming everyone. Or it at least opens the door later for such rulings.
 
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#43
I'm sure the second amendment was about bird huntin'. The founders wouldn't dare think of the people having the ability to overthrow a tyrannical goverment...
 
#45
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Ed12111 said:
The nation you used as an illustration has much fewer murders than we do.
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The UK isn't sunshine and rainbows with crime either. Per capita, they have a higher rate in total crime, kidnapping, robbery, and car theft, according to a study done by the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, Center for International Crime Prevention.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Im not a up on what the weapon of choice is in murders. I assume it is the most convenient to obtain even in premeditated situations. Which could be anything. I have no use for AR-15 types therefore I have none.

The problem with gun control legislation, is instead of focusing the real problem, the solution is disarming everyone. Or it at least opens the door later for such rulings.
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Except it's undeniable guns make it easier to kill someone. If such dangerous things are to be legal then there needs to be a very good reason.
 
#48
#48
Ed12111 said:
Except it's undeniable guns make it easier to kill someone. If such dangerous things are to be legal then there needs to be a very good reason.
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Your all over the place Ed. Are you resending your "hunting rifles" comment? Or are you specifically speaking about the automatic types?



Do you think the gun control advocates would stop with automatic rifles and military type weapons? I don't.

As to the question. Yes, they do make it easier. Thus the reason the military's have moved away from sling shots.
 
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XtennesseeX said:
The UK isn't sunshine and rainbows with crime either. Per capita, they have a higher rate in total crime, kidnapping, robbery, and car theft, according to a study done by the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, Center for International Crime Prevention.
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Those rates coincidentally rose when guns were banned. I don't understand it.
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