Haley reaches for the third rail

[lawgator1]

Yes. Everyone knows which ones you like to reference to sell the others.

My point simply is that you cannot be so categorical about it. One cannot credibly say that ALL redistributive government programs are problematic, and one cannot say that ALL redistributive government programs are run perfectly fine.

 

[LouderVol]

If they had just indexed SS to life expectancy, the retirement age in America today would be 73 and there really wouldn’t be a social security problem. Good luck trying to raise the retirement age now.

thats one of the issues with this nation. We can never take preventative measures. they aren't popular, so we are left dealing with the worst possible mess, instead of making incremental changes and keeping the problem in check.

Just announce that in 15 years the age will raise, don't wait 15 years to raise it. That was people have some chance to prepare.

 

[85SugarVol]

My point simply is that you cannot be so categorical about it. One cannot credibly say that ALL redistributive government programs are problematic, and one cannot say that ALL redistributive government programs are run perfectly fine.

Neither of which I said. Here’s mine again -

Well of course you don’t. You openly advocate for redistributive programs.

 

[lawgator1]

Neither of which I said. Here’s mine again -

And my point was that using a descriptor as broadly as you did is unreasonable because it does not distinguish between programs.

 

[85SugarVol]

And my point was that using a descriptor as broadly as you did is unreasonable because it does not distinguish between programs.

Do you advocate for redistributive programs?

 

[BreatheUT]

Watching Puddinhead in CNBC and the crawler says he's gonna raise taxes, to pay for programs that lead to spending more and reduce the deficit too.

Fyp

 

[lawgator1]

Do you advocate for redistributive programs?

Be specific by which programs and what you mean by advocate?

 

[85SugarVol]

Be specific by which programs and what you mean by advocate?

Any of them. Usually people use that word to denote support.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

What we are essentially talking about here is means testing for benefits. Will it test based on your income prior to retiring? Or what you have available after retiring? It could encourage people prior to retiring to hoard cash so it doesn't show up in an income screen for the means testing.

That is where the central bank digital currencies come in. If they manage to switch over to CBDCs, then they won't be any hiding.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

As someone who has paid in far more than he could ever be awarded in benefits, I won't vote for someone who would reduce my benefit even further, either because I worked hard and paid in so much, or because I also saved.

Now, that admittedly selfish thought process by me is why this means testing notion is going to be so touch to pass.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"

You've lived a perfect champaign liberal life. Time to share with those less fortunate than yourself.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The numbers don’t add up anymore. When social security was enacted there were 42 workers for every retiree. Today that figure is 3 to 1. Hard decisions have to be made, starting with the age of retirement. If they had just indexed SS to life expectancy, the retirement age in America today would be 73 and there really wouldn’t be a social security problem. Good luck trying to raise the retirement age now.

Dude, it was a Ponzi scheme from the very beginning...

Social Security History

On January 31, 1940, the first monthly retirement check was issued to Ida May Fuller of Ludlow, Vermont, in the amount of $22.54. Miss Fuller, a Legal Secretary, retired in November 1939. She started collecting benefits in January 1940 at age 65 and lived to be 100 years old, dying in 1975.

Ida May Fuller worked for three years under the Social Security program. The accumulated taxes on her salary during those three years was a total of $24.75. Her initial monthly check was $22.54. During her lifetime she collected a total of $22,888.92 in Social Security benefits.

 

[OrangeTsar]

So when Lawgator launches his 1000th thread (if he hasn’t already) does @Freak give him some special award or something?