Half empty arenas awaits us again.

#28
#28
govols57 said:
Obviously you don't get it!...its not that we lost its HOW we lost. It was the same story last year....there is absolutely NO presence of coaching on this team. The players play with NO discipline, NO motivation, NO effort, NO strategy, NO fire....its like because they were so good and dominate in high school that it will be the same in college...so all they have to do is show up!! I put all the blame on Pearl, he has no control of this team and this garbage offense of running down the court and chunking up 25 3's a game makes me sick!! We are getting out rebounded 41-17 per game...is he really getting paid 2 million a year to put that kind of product on the court? It was embarrassing...and it was the same last year.....That is why everyone is pissed!! Wake up!!
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Trust me I get it, but obviously you don't. We don't have a tradition rich basketball program where kids dream of coming here to play. If we did, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Wait! yes we would haha nothing changes. Bruce takes the guys and runs this run and gun offense, because if you haven't noticed we are not exactly strong in half-court offense. It's not hard to see that. I know you are going to argue and say that with the proper coaching we could get these guys to produce in the half-court. We tried that last year alot more than usual because we weren't able to defend properly in the full court press, and if you didn't notice we weren't that successful, compared to what CBP has led us to previously. So give it some time and you may be surprised and you might not, but here's to hoping this team proves everyone wrong and accomplishes some special things. Enjoy your evening and GO VOLS!!!!
 
#29
#29
tennguyinengland said:
Trust me I get it, but obviously you don't. We don't have a tradition rich basketball program where kids dream of coming here to play. If we did, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Wait! yes we would haha nothing changes. Bruce takes the guys and runs this run and gun offense, because if you haven't noticed we are not exactly strong in half-court offense. It's not hard to see that. I know you are going to argue and say that with the proper coaching we could get these guys to produce in the half-court. We tried that last year alot more than usual because we weren't able to defend properly in the full court press, and if you didn't notice we weren't that successful, compared to what CBP has led us to previously. So give it some time and you may be surprised and you might not, but here's to hoping this team proves everyone wrong and accomplishes some special things. Enjoy your evening and GO VOLS!!!!
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What, exactly, in run and gun offense prevents a team from being at least semi-confident in a half-court set? Why aren't our guys able to produce? They are athletic enough, and big enough, and can shoot it competently. They are Bruce's guys--he recruited them, and he's had all of them for multiple years. What do you think causes them to suck so badly when the game is shortened to one side of the court?
 
#30
#30
cotton said:
What, exactly, in run and gun offense prevents a team from being at least semi-confident in a half-court set? Why aren't our guys able to produce? They are athletic enough, and big enough, and can shoot it competently. They are Bruce's guys--he recruited them, and he's had all of them for multiple years. What do you think causes them to suck so badly when the game is shortened to one side of the court?
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You're right they are athletic enough, big enough maybe, and competent enough shooters(I'd say streaky). And the exact cause, I'm not positive. I do not believe it is coaching, the basic fundamentals are there for a half-court offense. Ball movement is good as long as woolridge isn't in there to jack it up everytime he touches it. The problem is the lack of ability to create good shots, I love Tyler Smith, but all he can do is spin in the paint and roll it in. I really just don't think we have the talent to play the half court type game with the higher echelon teams, but we run our chaos we call a system and we are competitive with the top teams in the nation. Look at the Memphis and Kansas games from last year, and the Purdue game from this year. And if you expect us to recruit the guys that are bound for the Kansas's and UNC's to be able to run the system that so many want, it's just not going to happen. That's all I'm trying to get at. We are getting more than what we have gotten in a long time, because of Bruce, and I just think it's absolutely ludicrous that people are bashing him to no end, because of a bad performance.
 
#31
#31
tennguyinengland said:
You're right they are athletic enough, big enough maybe, and competent enough shooters(I'd say streaky). And the exact cause, I'm not positive. I do not believe it is coaching, the basic fundamentals are there for a half-court offense. Ball movement is good as long as woolridge isn't in there to jack it up everytime he touches it. The problem is the lack of ability to create good shots, I love Tyler Smith, but all he can do is spin in the paint and roll it in. I really just don't think we have the talent to play the half court type game with the higher echelon teams, but we run our chaos we call a system and we are competitive with the top teams in the nation. Look at the Memphis and Kansas games from last year, and the Purdue game from this year. And if you expect us to recruit the guys that are bound for the Kansas's and UNC's to be able to run the system that so many want, it's just not going to happen. That's all I'm trying to get at. We are getting more than what we have gotten in a long time, because of Bruce, and I just think it's absolutely ludicrous that people are bashing him to no end, because of a bad performance.
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If you think we are fundamentally sound in half-court anything, you have a different understanding than I do. There is nothing in the genetic makeup of Smith, or Hopson, or Chism, or even Woolridge that makes them incapable of setting a pick, or making an explosive cut, or spacing properly. There is nothing in the genetic makeup of players at UNC or Kansas that makes them do that well, either.

You saw a less talented team Sunday do those things against us and beat us like a stepchild. Meanwhile, our offensive philosophy is for one guy to dribble while four others wander around, and when the music stops, somebody shoots. That just isn't good basketball, and in Bruce's 5th year on the Hill fielding teams that do the same thing, I'm going to have to say that calling it a coaching deficiency seems fair.
 
#32
#32
Name a single player who has been clearly better at the end of their time under Bruce than they were at the beginning. I don't think he is a horrible coach, I do believe he needs to hire someone who can fill in where he is weak.
 
#33
#33
cotton said:
If you think we are fundamentally sound in half-court anything, you have a different understanding than I do. There is nothing in the genetic makeup of Smith, or Hopson, or Chism, or even Woolridge that makes them incapable of setting a pick, or making an explosive cut, or spacing properly. There is nothing in the genetic makeup of players at UNC or Kansas that makes them do that well, either.

You saw a less talented team Sunday do those things against us and beat us like a stepchild. Meanwhile, our offensive philosophy is for one guy to dribble while four others wander around, and when the music stops, somebody shoots. That just isn't good basketball, and in Bruce's 5th year on the Hill fielding teams that do the same thing, I'm going to have to say that calling it a coaching deficiency seems fair.
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Excellent post. You are spot on.

Last year I was on the other side of the fence, asking how could you possibly blame Pearl?

But now, it is painfully obvious to me that while Pearl is a pretty good recruiter and a great marketer of the program, he is just simply not that good of a basketball coach.

It pains me to say that, because I really wanted to believe he would take us to the next level. But I think if you watch his teams play, and you are honest with yourself, you realize he will not take us past the level of Jerry Green.

Pearl will never have our team sniffing a final four. There's just no way. And I know some people will say "remember what a joke UT basketball used to be..." or something lame like that. But I think it is a reasonable expectation for us to get to the next level with the facilities and resources we have. I don't think sneaking into the final four once every 7-8 years should be out of the question for UT mens bball. But its not gonna happen under Pearl, as much as I would like it to.

Whew, that was too long of a post. Sorry.
 
#34
#34
volinasheville said:
Name a single player who has been clearly better at the end of their time under Bruce than they were at the beginning. I don't think he is a horrible coach, I do believe he needs to hire someone who can fill in where he is weak.
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I agree, but there haven't been many players that have started and finished their careers under cbp. You could say CJ, Stanley Asumnu , JaJuan, Chris all finished better than they started but they didn't start under CBP. We have had an unordinary number of players not finish their careers because of different reasons, you could argue it's good that Pearl has done what he has with what he's had to work with, but I'm not ready to fight that point just yet.
 
#35
#35
tennguyinengland said:
You're right they are athletic enough, big enough maybe, and competent enough shooters(I'd say streaky). And the exact cause, I'm not positive. I do not believe it is coaching, the basic fundamentals are there for a half-court offense. Ball movement is good as long as woolridge isn't in there to jack it up everytime he touches it. The problem is the lack of ability to create good shots, I love Tyler Smith, but all he can do is spin in the paint and roll it in. I really just don't think we have the talent to play the half court type game with the higher echelon teams, but we run our chaos we call a system and we are competitive with the top teams in the nation. Look at the Memphis and Kansas games from last year, and the Purdue game from this year. And if you expect us to recruit the guys that are bound for the Kansas's and UNC's to be able to run the system that so many want, it's just not going to happen. That's all I'm trying to get at. We are getting more than what we have gotten in a long time, because of Bruce, and I just think it's absolutely ludicrous that people are bashing him to no end, because of a bad performance.
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25 seconds of passing around the perimeter is good ball movement? :huh:
 
#36
#36
Thanks to a series of neg threads, is it worth to follow the season after the chicken bowl?
 
#38
#38
Good god people I hate losing as much as anyone else, but y'all seriously have to stop preparing for the end of the world. You can call me delusional (and quote this post with laughing smilies) but I don't think we're going to lose to Memphis and I think we have a shot to beat Kansas and Kentucky. If we start losing on rebounds and shooting this poor every game this season then you can panic.
 
#39
#39
volinasheville said:
Name a single player who has been clearly better at the end of their time under Bruce than they were at the beginning. I don't think he is a horrible coach, I do believe he needs to hire someone who can fill in where he is weak.
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C.J. Watson, JaJuan Smith, Dane Bradshaw, Chris Lofton
 
#41
#41
volinasheville said:
Watson is the only one of those guys whose senior year was his best or most productive.
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JaJuan was best his senior year, and with Dane and his wrist injury could you really expect more? Oh yeah and Lofton had that Testicular Cancer thing that affected his play his senior year. But you could argue that they all improved throughout their careers. Until unfortunate situations happened.:)
 
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