Hall, Goins > Pearl

#26
#26
bluetick2 said:
Pearl knows his role. He doesnt jack up threes or turn the ball over. No he wont win the game but he defends and passes very well. He is also always in the right place at the right time. He is very valuable to this team.
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#27
#27
papatomany said:
I promised I wasn't going to get involved in this junk again, but...

a) point one is wrong. Pearl has played 30 minutes in the tourney to Hall's 15. Since the second Florida game Pearl has played 144 minutes to Hall's 86.

b) Pearl doesn't rebound. 2 is a big game for him. 4 is his season high. Kenny Hall went into double figures twice. Rebounds per 40 minutes: Pearl 4.7, Hall 9.7.

I admit that I don't cringe quite as badly as I used to when Steven comes in, now that his dad has stoked his confidence to maximum, but he still does some absolutely bone-headed things. Tonight there was the pass into back-court to set up an Ohio layup and foul (almost looked like he MEANT to lead the guy to the bucket); which was much worse than the shot off the bottom of the rim that his dad reamed him for.
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1. You've obviously never played PG from that analysis of the play. It was Bobbys fault. Bobby didn't use his body to fend off the defender. That was the only direction to go with that ball, he doesn't want to throw it short. Bobbys gotta hold his own and get to that ball.
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#29
#29
All of you who don't like SP must have been dissed by some coach who played his son before you on a Pop Warner league somewhere. The fact is that none of the players mentioned can bring enough offense to the game to make up for the defense that Pearl brings. Hall can make some shots, but he can't hold on to the ball when he rebounds. Woolridge and McBee are just not playing good enough at this time. I admit I get nervous when Pearl comes in, but he does eat minutes to keep Chism's foul count down, defends and passes well.
 
#30
#30
My gripe about SP is this: In my whole life, I have never seen a coach's son who couldn't hit free throws. Every team that I have ever been on, involved with or watched closely that had a coach's son, they were always one of the best free throw shooters on the team. I firmly believe that there is no reason to shoot less than 70% free throws for anyone.
 
#31
#31
rpostr said:
Honestly next year is going to be more of the same since we are losing Chism, and even though I think Harris is going to be great he won't instantly come in and play the same number of minutes as Wayne.

If anything next year we are probably going to see even more of Steven. I'll even go as far as to say that Steven will start a couple games next year cause i doubt Williams or Harris won't be injured for at least one game.

Although if we somehow grab Abraham, which I doubt we will do but one can hope, this entire post is irrelevant
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Have you seen any of the videos or stories on Harris's conditioning? Its ridiculous. I wouldnt be surprised if he plays 30 minutes a game next season. I would also venture to say that he is just as in shape as any post player on our team.
 
#32
#32
We need another post player for next year, unless Woolridge can figure out what's wrong with him...which is something I don't want to bet on.
 
#34
#34
I posted this in another thread, but it seems warranted here:

Alright everybody I have to bring this up. I have posted this same comment over the past few weeks and I have been blasted. This is about Stephen Pearl's minutes. Although, we played a great game, especially defensively, I have to bring this up.

I have posted before how I think we lose the minutes that Stephen Pearl is in the game, so today I took a piece of paper and pen and took the following during today's game:

Stephen Pearl played 15 minutes today. When Stephen Pearl was in the game we lost those minutes by -7 points, but Pearl was not in the game we were +22 for those minutes.

I know everyone is going to blast me and keep telling me how he is a "defensive specialist", but the facts are this... when Stephen Pearl is not in the game we are much better team.
 
#35
#35
ryreese said:
I posted this in another thread, but it seems warranted here:

Alright everybody I have to bring this up. I have posted this same comment over the past few weeks and I have been blasted. This is about Stephen Pearl's minutes. Although, we played a great game, especially defensively, I have to bring this up.

I have posted before how I think we lose the minutes that Stephen Pearl is in the game, so today I took a piece of paper and pen and took the following during today's game:

Stephen Pearl played 15 minutes today. When Stephen Pearl was in the game we lost those minutes by -7 points, but Pearl was not in the game we were +22 for those minutes.

I know everyone is going to blast me and keep telling me how he is a "defensive specialist", but the facts are this... when Stephen Pearl is not in the game we are much better team.
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To be fair most of that came from the 5 minutes where I think it was him, hall, goins, bone, and tatum. That was the run that Ohio went on to cut the lead to 6 and that cant be placed on Pearl since it was our entire second team.
 
#36
#36
Orangekush423 said:
1. You've obviously never played PG from that analysis of the play. It was Bobbys fault. Bobby didn't use his body to fend off the defender. That was the only direction to go with that ball, he doesn't want to throw it short. Bobbys gotta hold his own and get to that ball.
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You're right. I was the guy throwing it in from the side. If I made that pass that poorly, I was no longer the guy throwing it in from the side.
 
#37
#37
His last name being "Pearl" is all I can figure. I agree that he plays good defense. I'll even concede -- for the sake of argument -- that he plays better defense than Hall or Woolridge (though I think that is debatable). But, he is much more of an offensive liability than either of those guys and is not as good at rebounding.

SDSU went right after him every time he was in the game on Thursday and it cost us a lot of points. He occasionally gets a "I can't believe he tried to drive to the basket" layup because the opposing team is in shock. But teams with any low-post presence (like SDSU) will go right after him and score points. His presence in that game turned a 7 point lead (on its way to being 14) into a 1 point game with two horrible plays on defense and a head-scratching offensive shot. Thankfully he got the hook when that happened.

Interestingly, we may not have that issue again unless we make the Final Four. None of the teams left in our region have 2 dominant low post players. Pearl may actually be a good option against OSU.
 
#38
#38
Wise-Vol said:
His last name being "Pearl" is all I can figure. I agree that he plays good defense. I'll even concede -- for the sake of argument -- that he plays better defense than Hall or Woolridge (though I think that is debatable). But, he is much more of an offensive liability than either of those guys and is not as good at rebounding.

SDSU went right after him every time he was in the game on Thursday and it cost us a lot of points. He occasionally gets a "I can't believe he tried to drive to the basket" layup because the opposing team is in shock. But teams with any low-post presence (like SDSU) will go right after him and score points. His presence in that game turned a 7 point lead (on its way to being 14) into a 1 point game with two horrible plays on defense and a head-scratching offensive shot. Thankfully he got the hook when that happened.

Interestingly, we may not have that issue again unless we make the Final Four. None of the teams left in our region have 2 dominant low post players. Pearl may actually be a good option against OSU.
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It's not debatable if you actually watch the game.

Wrong again. Hall has more potential, but we can't count can't on Hall for any points. In fact, Pearl outscored him last game. Pearl also has some ability to get into the middle of the 2-3 and make some pretty nice kicks to shooters.

Hall and Woolridge both are much more talented, but Pearl serves a purpose out there, and that's why he plays. I think Hall will pass him this summer, and I think Woolridge probably won't.
 
#39
#39
ryreese said:
I posted this in another thread, but it seems warranted here:

Alright everybody I have to bring this up. I have posted this same comment over the past few weeks and I have been blasted. This is about Stephen Pearl's minutes. Although, we played a great game, especially defensively, I have to bring this up.

I have posted before how I think we lose the minutes that Stephen Pearl is in the game, so today I took a piece of paper and pen and took the following during today's game:

Stephen Pearl played 15 minutes today. When Stephen Pearl was in the game we lost those minutes by -7 points, but Pearl was not in the game we were +22 for those minutes.

I know everyone is going to blast me and keep telling me how he is a "defensive specialist", but the facts are this... when Stephen Pearl is not in the game we are much better team.
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+/- is a flawed statistic without a larger sample size.
 
#40
#40
kidbourbon said:
+/- is a flawed statistic without a larger sample size.
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I agree. Instead of just noting that Pearl is on the game, maybe this guy should note who is not in the game. If Chism or Prince are not in the game, we are not going to be as good no matter who is in off the bench.
 
#41
#41
I have been surprised how well our bench has played at times when Chism and Prince aren't in the game. It can be nervewracking to imagine but you just can't write the team off without them for a few minutes.
 
#42
#42
bluetick2 said:
Pearl knows his role. He doesnt jack up threes or turn the ball over. No he wont win the game but he defends and passes very well. He is also always in the right place at the right time. He is very valuable to this team.
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#45
#45
Wise-Vol said:
His last name being "Pearl" is all I can figure. I agree that he plays good defense. I'll even concede -- for the sake of argument -- that he plays better defense than Hall or Woolridge (though I think that is debatable). But, he is much more of an offensive liability than either of those guys and is not as good at rebounding.

SDSU went right after him every time he was in the game on Thursday and it cost us a lot of points. He occasionally gets a "I can't believe he tried to drive to the basket" layup because the opposing team is in shock. But teams with any low-post presence (like SDSU) will go right after him and score points. His presence in that game turned a 7 point lead (on its way to being 14) into a 1 point game with two horrible plays on defense and a head-scratching offensive shot. Thankfully he got the hook when that happened.

Interestingly, we may not have that issue again unless we make the Final Four. None of the teams left in our region have 2 dominant low post players. Pearl may actually be a good option against OSU.
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+1
 
#46
#46
EnglewoodVol said:
Until Hall learns to block out he'll be watching pearl take his minutes
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Well, if this is true, I'm even more impressed with Hall. He doubles Pearl's rebound totals (reb per 40 minutes, as I've shown many times before). If he's doing this without blocking out, he may well be the greatest rebounder ever.
 
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