Handicapping our fighting forces

[orangestorm]

Let me wait to respond until I get the fax or email from Michael Steele telling me what to say. I don't want to break the left's image that we all get uniform talking points....

Someone has been reading the lib talking points and does not do independent thinking on their own...it's about as far fetched as saying "I saw white pointy hats at every tea party rally" and yet to have anything to prove that. Come on guy. Turn off PMSNBC and come out of the parents' basement...

these both made me LOL,

The problem, is that some of this stuff that this guy/idiot leaked has put people in danger. If anybody is killed because of the info he leaked, he should be charges. This is not a Democrat or a Republican issue but a security issue.

 

[BigPapaVol]

these both made me LOL,

The problem, is that some of this stuff that this guy/idiot leaked has put people in danger. If anybody is killed because of the info he leaked, he should be charges. This is not a Democrat or a Republican issue but a security issue.

he should be charged regardless of outcome. Sentence might change based upon events, but he should be hammered. He understood to a T the potential implications of being a traitor. Now he gets to deal with that reality.

 

[DC Vol]

I was surprised this little doozy hasn't been found out yet by someone in the media. The reasoning behind not using it is they are afraid it might detonate IED's on civilians.

As much as it sucks, that's sound reasoning. That would be huge amounts of ammunition to Al Qaeda.

 

[DC Vol]

he should be charged regardless of outcome. Sentence might change based upon events, but he should be hammered. He understood to a T the potential implications of being a traitor. Now he gets to deal with that reality.

Absolutely yes.

He knew full well what would happen... and it was spelled out in his SCI in-brief.

 

[MontereyVol]

As much as it sucks, that's sound reasoning. That would be huge amounts of ammunition to Al Qaeda.

BS, you don't win wars by worrying what would happen if the guys harboring your enemy get blown up. Plus I think the Taliban have enough ammunition for their purposes. If the Afghan's aren't coming over to our side its because they believe what the world tells them, that we won't stick around to finish the job.

 

[DC Vol]

BS, you don't win wars by worrying what would happen if the guys harboring your enemy get blown up. Plus I think the Taliban have enough ammunition for their purposes. If the Afghan's aren't coming over to our side its because they believe what the world tells them, that we won't stick around to finish the job.

You will lose wars when you turn the occupied civilian populace and home public sentiment against the war.

Indiscriminately blowing up IEDs would absolutely be a huge bane to our efforts and a huge boon to Al Qaeda/Insurgency in Iraq.

 

[MontereyVol]

Maybe in our culture, I would say you are right. But to an Afghan they only respect one thing.

What exactly makes you think that Afghan public sentiment isn't already against us. They perceive us as weak and actively assist our enemy.

 

[CSpindizzy]

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but a guy I worked with made an excellent point. When you have someone deeply opposed to the war who has little choice but to keep it going even in some sort of capacity, what better way to turn opinion around and have the people back you out than turn a blind eye to this sort of thing? I would hate to think anyone stupid enough to endanger people's lives by doing so but this line of thinking did have me thinking...

 

[MontereyVol]

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but a guy I worked with made an excellent point. When you have someone deeply opposed to the war who has little choice but to keep it going even in some sort of capacity, what better way to turn opinion around and have the people back you out than turn a blind eye to this sort of thing? I would hate to think anyone stupid enough to endanger people's lives by doing so but this line of thinking did have me thinking...

I believe Obama has majority support to end this thing.

 

[DC Vol]

Maybe in our culture, I would say you are right. But to an Afghan they only respect one thing.

What exactly makes you think that Afghan public sentiment isn't already against us. They perceive us as weak and actively assist our enemy.

Afghan "public support" is the same as tribal and cleric support. That has, admittedly, been waning.

My comment, however, was aimed more at the Iraqi end of things than Afghanistan. The 'stan ramped up after I got out so Iraq is pretty much most of what I know about GWOT.

 

[MontereyVol]

IMO Iraqis seem tired and ready for it to be over, I do think as a parting shot we should hang al-sadr on the way out the door.

Afghan's on the other hand have been fighting since Hammurabi and they change sides with the direction of the wind. The only way to defeat this attitude is to smash all sides and leave them unable to resist or just flat out kill them all. Alexander the Great wanted to breed it out of them and that actually worked for his purposes for a time. He knew the only other way was to kill every last one of them.

Honestly we should have went to war with Pakistan and we should be putting our boot on their throat.

 

[gsvol]

+1

Who cares about the soldiers......... the only thing that should matter is political talking points.

:banghead2:

You will be happy to note that in a recent poll of Americans the most respected member of our society are;

1. Members of our armed services.
2. Law officers.

The least respected members of our society;

1. Politicians.
2. Journalists.

Contained in the wikileaks are the names of brave citizens of Afghanistan who have been providing us information about the Taliban.

Obama had no objection to the release of the information.

 

[gsvol]

IMO Iraqis seem tired and ready for it to be over, I do think as a parting shot we should hang al-sadr on the way out the door.

Afghan's on the other hand have been fighting since Hammurabi and they change sides with the direction of the wind. The only way to defeat this attitude is to smash all sides and leave them unable to resist or just flat out kill them all. Alexander the Great wanted to breed it out of them and that actually worked for his purposes for a time. He knew the only other way was to kill every last one of them.

Honestly we should have went to war with Pakistan and we should be putting our boot on their throat.

Ditto about al-Sadr.

One of my ancestors is a Khyber, one of the most respected names ever in that part of the world.

What we should have done is to ally ourselves with the tribes and the tribal code which is far more just that islamic sharia law.

Instead we are establishing the islamic republic of Afghanistan, although that would dovetail nicely with the decrees of muhammed, I doubt our founding fathers ever had anything like that in mind.

I feel pretty much the same way about Pakistan as you do, there is no doubt they clandestinely support the Taliban and export their version of islamic superiority to the west and to America.

How many quick stop Pakisatni gas stations have we funded with US taxpayer money in the country in the name of foreign investment??

If we weren't being ripped off in a very rapacious way, we would need no foreign investment.

In this county probalby the most wealthy individual is a Pakistani and no doubt he gained all that wealth with our own taxes payed to a federal government that is way out of control of the citizens of America.

 

[gsvol]

Informant says WikiLeaks suspect had civilian help | ajc.com

Adrian Lamo, the Sacramento, Calif.-based computer hacker who turned in Bradley to military authorities in May, claimed in a telephone interview Saturday he had firsthand knowledge that someone helped Manning set up encryption software to send classified information to WikiLeaks.

Lamo, who's cooperating with investigators, wouldn't name the person but said the man was among a group of people in the Boston area who work with WikiLeaks. He said the man told him "he actually helped Private Manning set up the encryption software he used."

Lamo said the software enabled Manning to send classified data in small bits so that it would seem innocuous.

 

[gsvol]

Power Line - A New Perspective on Private Manning

Government In Damage Control Mode Over Alleged Leak Of Classified State Department Cables - wcbstv.com

 

[BigPapaVol]

Powerline blog about Manning was interesting.
Posted via VolNation Mobile

 

[gsvol]

Powerline blog about Manning was interesting.
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Other news media articles have mentioned that Manning was considering a sex change operation.

MIT students helped WikiLeaks suspect, hacker says - CNN.com

The Boston Globe interviewed a recent MIT graduate who it said acknowledged Saturday that he met Manning in January and exchanged as many as 10 e-mails with him about security issues. But the individual "adamantly" denied any role in the document leak, the Globe reported. The Globe also reported that this MIT graduate, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said he was interviewed several months ago by Army investigators to find out whether he or "others in the local computer hacker community" helped Manning.

A spokeswoman for MIT, Patti Richards, told CNN: "We are monitoring the situation closely, but are not commenting at this time."

My guess is that the culprits no doubt are members of the Union of Concerned Scientists.

Our society today can trace many of our cultural problems to the fact that the pseudo-scientific works of the baby raper, liar and pervert, Alfred Kinsey were accepted by academia and have come to be considered to be politically correct.

There now is a groing effort to examine and discredit his shoddy, slimey work. 'Bout time!!

 

[gsvol]

You will lose wars when you turn the occupied civilian populace and home public sentiment against the war.

Indiscriminately blowing up IEDs would absolutely be a huge bane to our efforts and a huge boon to Al Qaeda/Insurgency in Iraq.

You win wars when you are able to attack from within.

Taliban Threatens to Behead WikiLeaks Informers at Ironic Surrealism v3.0

The Taliban last night threatened to decapitate informants who have been revealed in uncensored intelligence documents published on the internet.

Taliban Seeks Vengeance in Wake of WikiLeaks - Newsweek

After WikiLeaks published a trove of U.S. intelligence documents—some of which listed the names and villages of Afghans who had been secretly cooperating with the American military—it didn’t take long for the Taliban to react. A spokesman for the group quickly threatened to “punish” any Afghan listed as having “collaborated” with the U.S. and the Kabul authorities against the growing Taliban insurgency.

In recent days, the Taliban has demonstrated how seriously those threats should be considered. Late last week, just four days after the documents were published, death threats began arriving at the homes of key tribal elders in southern Afghanistan. And over the weekend one tribal elder, Khalifa Abdullah, who the Taliban believed had been in close contact with the Americans, was taken from his home in Monar village, in Kandahar province’s embattled Arghandab district, and executed by insurgent gunmen.

Julian Assange: Wikileaks founder fears he could be arrested - Telegraph

Julian Assange, the Australian founder of Wikileaks, has said he has been warned by "inside sources in the White House" not to return to the US as he could be arrested.

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.

An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.

But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.

For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.

He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist.

A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.”

Marcus Tullius Cicero

 

[CSpindizzy]

Warnings to not come back. This is the same White House that denied knowing the story was being printed and then had to backtrack, THEN said the whole issue was morally and legally improper but now is warning the guy responsible for posting it not to come back?

Seriously, does this White House understand what law is? Consequences for breaking the law? Prosecution? Because right now their record on enforcing the law at all levels is abysmal. Sanctuary cities, illegals, GITMO and other detainees, underwear bomber, etc. etc, etc.....

 

[gsvol]

Warnings to not come back. This is the same White House that denied knowing the story was being printed and then had to backtrack, THEN said the whole issue was morally and legally improper but now is warning the guy responsible for posting it not to come back?

Seriously, does this White House understand what law is? Consequences for breaking the law? Prosecution? Because right now their record on enforcing the law at all levels is abysmal. Sanctuary cities, illegals, GITMO and other detainees, underwear bomber, etc. etc, etc.....

Morally and legally improper???

That doesn't even scratch the surface.

The PinkSwastika 4th Edition - Final

Socially segregated from women, Arab men succumb to homosexual behavior. But, interestingly enough, there is no word for “homosexual” in their culture in the modern Western sense. That is because having sex with boys, or with effeminate men, is seen as a social norm. Males serve as available substitutes for unavailable women. The man who does the penetrating, meanwhile, is not emasculated...The man who is penetrated is emasculated. The boy, however, is not, since it is rationalized that he is not yet a man.

In this culture, males sexually penetrating males becomes a manifestation of male power, conferring a status of hyper-masculinity....In all of these circumstances, the idea of love is removed from men’s understanding of sexuality. Like the essence of Arab masculinity, it is reduced to hurting others by violence....It is excruciating to imagine the sexual confusion, humiliation, and repression that evolve in the mindsets of males in this culture. But it is no surprise that many of these males find their only avenue for gratification in the act of humiliating a foreign “enemy,” whose masculinity must be violated at all costs -- as theirs once was (Glazov, “The Sexual Rage Behind Islamic Terror,” FrontPage magazine, 10-4-01). [For a comparison with the Spartan military camps, see pp. 54-61.]

This administration has no respect for American law, order, culture or tradition.

This administration is set about to destroy all that it possibly can in as short a time as possible, including the economy.

You can't tell me that as many (mostly homosexual) academics as they have in this administration that they are so ignorant as to know their policies are destined for failure and in the same circumstances JFK, Reagan and even Harry Truman did just the opposite of what they are doing.

Truman cut federal spending by over 1/2 and fired millions of federal employees and our economy boomed the same way it did when Reagan was president.

 

[R481967]

One BIG DIFFERENCE: HT, JFK and RR loved our country.

 

[gsvol]

I thought that the Republican line was that Afghanistan was Obama's war. Now I'm reading commentary from Republicans that Obama did not stop the publication of things that makes the war (according to them, his war) look bad?

Very confusing.

You guys need to decide whose side you are on.

Maybe you should decide on which side is Barack Hussein Obama.

“Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance.”
Barack Hussein Obama

“it is important for Western countries to avoid impeding Muslim citizens from practicing religion as they see fit”
Barack Hussein Obama

“We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over so many centuries to shape the world for the better, including my own country.”
Barack Hussein Obama

“The contribution of Muslims to the United States are too long to catalog because Muslims are so interwoven into the fabric of our communities and our country”
Barack Hussein Obama

“I have lived in a Muslim-majority country... I know, because I am one of them.”
Barack Hussein Obama

“As a student of history, I also know civilization’s debt to Islam.”
Barack Hussein Obama

“Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.”
Barack Hussein Obama

“And since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the United States.”
Barack Hussein Obama

“And I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.”
Barack Hussein Obama

“Moreover, freedom in America is indivisible from the freedom to practice one’s religion. That is why there is a mosque in every state of our union, and over 1,200 mosques within our borders. That is why the U.S. government has gone to court to protect the right of women and girls to wear the hijab, and to punish those who would deny it.”
Barack Hussein Obama

“We are not nor have we even been at war with Islam”
Barack Hussein Obama

Then you will know on which side you are.

Perhaps Obama might consider that islam should not impede the right of Christian citizens to practice religion as they see fit but then there are no Christian countries according to Obambi, certainly not America and when will he ever even dare to mention the severe opprossion of Christians in muslim countries??????

Posted in hopes this might ease your obvious and stated confusion.

 

[BearCat204]

Didnt know that Assange was wanted for rape??

WikiLeaks Founder: Pentagon Behind Rape Claim - Defense News

 

[gsvol]

Didnt know that Assange was wanted for rape??

WikiLeaks Founder: Pentagon Behind Rape Claim - Defense News

No I didn't know that but one look at the freak and anyone can tell he is some sort of pervert.

Not doubt we can depend on the US Attorney General to bringing him to justice.

Oh wait....... :no: