Hank Jr compares Obama to Hilter

[OrangeEmpire]

Why do ya roll smoke?

Fam....ly tradition
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[KiffinKiller]

gwar. hahaha.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

gwar. hahaha.

I knew it
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[MUR73]

So Talent, play actual multiple instruments, which Bigg E and Marley i dont believe can do that, won Entertainer of the Year like 4-5 times, which is picked by his peers/fans, Millions of of Album sales, has made like 60 albums, i dont know exact number for sure but a ton, is held as a Legend in country music by all the before mentioned.

wow, and you are bragging about Radiohead...lol. Music is objective , but pathetic attempt to dismay this mans achievements and typical trivialization of remarkable achievements in his Genre.

You can hate this guys guts and you can say what you wont and say its not about charity or about Album sales, but it IS about everything i have said. It really does destroy your credit when you can't recognize, dont have to like him at all, the accomplishment/status this man reached in his field due to his talent.

 

[MUR73]

BTW , i like Notorious BIG and Marley also

 

[MUR73]

Its all in the eye of the beholder.

Went to a Hank concert years ago. Montgomery Gentry was with him. I liked Hank, my wife like MG.

Hank puts on a great show unless he is drunk then it is awful, have seen both

 

[DinkinFlicka]

So Talent, play actual multiple instruments, which Bigg E and Marley i dont believe can do that, won Entertainer of the Year like 4-5 times, which is picked by his peers/fans, Millions of of Album sales, has made like 60 albums, i dont know exact number for sure but a ton, is held as a Legend in country music by all the before mentioned.

wow, and you are bragging about Radiohead...lol. Music is objective , but pathetic attempt to dismay this mans achievements and typical trivialization of remarkable achievements in his Genre.

You can hate this guys guts and you can say what you wont and say its not about charity or about Album sales, but it IS about everything i have said. It really does destroy your credit when you can't recognize, dont have to like him at all, the accomplishment/status this man reached in his field due to his talent.

Rolling Stone's hiring, you know. They could use more folks like you.

I just can't take anyone seriously when they make such a pathetic attempt at bolstering this man's credibility by placing him in a higher general regard than Bob Marley or Radiohead.

I've MET several country musicians with waaaay more musical talent than HWJ, and their fanbase merely lies in the thousands... know why?

Their father wasn't one of the greatest American musicians (let alone of country music) of all time.

On top of that, he's kind of an ass.

60 albums? You must be counting compilations and remastered records. I'd **** myself if he released more than 30 without rehashing anything (which he's terribly notorious for if you know how to read music).

Talent has very little to do with commercial success, MUR. I can name plenty of bands to back that statement up.

And just so you know, Bob could play drums, guitar, and bass. It's quintessential to reggae music. Duh.

Who are you to say what destroys credibility, anyway? What credibility do you have, Lester Bangs?

 

[BeecherVol]

Rolling Stone's hiring, you know. They could use more folks like you.

I just can't take anyone seriously when they make such a pathetic attempt at bolstering this man's credibility by placing him in a higher general regard than Bob Marley or Radiohead.

I've MET several country musicians with waaaay more musical talent than HWJ, and their fanbase merely lies in the thousands... know why?

Their father wasn't one of the greatest American musicians (let alone of country music) of all time.

On top of that, he's kind of an ass.

60 albums? You must be counting compilations and remastered records. I'd **** myself if he released more than 30 without rehashing anything (which he's terribly notorious for if you know how to read music).

Talent has very little to do with commercial success, MUR. I can name plenty of bands to back that statement up.

And just so you know, Bob could play drums, guitar, and bass. It's quintessential to reggae music. Duh.

I haven't.

 

[BeecherVol]

Rolling Stone's hiring, you know. They could use more folks like you.

I just can't take anyone seriously when they make such a pathetic attempt at bolstering this man's credibility by placing him in a higher general regard than Bob Marley or Radiohead.

I've MET several country musicians with waaaay more musical talent than HWJ, and their fanbase merely lies in the thousands... know why?

Their father wasn't one of the greatest American musicians (let alone of country music) of all time.

On top of that, he's kind of an ass.

60 albums? You must be counting compilations and remastered records. I'd **** myself if he released more than 30 without rehashing anything (which he's terribly notorious for if you know how to read music).

Talent has very little to do with commercial success, MUR. I can name plenty of bands to back that statement up.

And just so you know, Bob could play drums, guitar, and bass. It's quintessential to reggae music. Duh.

Who are you to say what destroys credibility, anyway? What credibility do you have, Lester Bangs?

He was known more for a unique voice than he was as a musician. Where Jr. was the opposite.

 

[sjt18]

Did we resolve the actual issue?

Jr didn't compare Obama to Hitler. He compared the extreme of supposed conservatives playing golf with him during our economic times with Hitler playing golf with Netanyahu. Perhaps a poor choice of analogies but definitely NOT calling Obama... Hitler....

FTR, I will say that Obama's economic policies are fairly close to those espoused by the fascists... especially in the early days of the movement. Private ownership based on political connections but gov't control of production... organized labor closely aligned with politicians and bureaucrats... demonization of opposition groups.

 

[Muschump]

Jr didn't compare Obama to Hitler.

Fox and Friends: "You just used the name of one of the most hate men in the world to describe President Obama."

Bocephus: "That's true, that's true. Just telling it like it is."

Bocephus: "They are the enemy."

 

[TennTradition]

I thought Jr.'s interview was horrible and he came off as a bad stereotype. With that said, the outrage over the analogy is misplaced in my opinion. He should recognize the sensitivity and avoid the subject, but I have a hard time painting this as Obama = Hitler. It was clear that he was making this equality only in the sense of the analogy and to highlight he was "the enemy" in the analogy. My biggest problem beyond the fact that he sounded mildly retarded was that he referred to the POTUS as the enemy, but that is hardly something to have this level of reaction over.
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[Volst53]

It's the same old tune, fiddle and guitar
Where do we take it from here
Rhinestone suits and new shiny cars
We've been the same way for years
We need to change

 

[BeecherVol]

It's the same old tune, fiddle and guitar
Where do we take it from here
Rhinestone suits and new shiny cars
We've been the same way for years
We need to change

Waylon had some solid tunes.

 

[MUR73]

Let us dissect this one pont by point, shall we?

Rolling Stone's hiring, you know. They could use more folks like you.
Thanks, that was nice.

I just can't take anyone seriously when they make such a pathetic attempt at bolstering this man's credibility by placing him in a higher general regard than Bob Marley or Radiohead.

I thought this was a serious post until you mentioned Radiohead. thats a good one Dinky.

I've MET several country musicians with waaaay more musical talent than HWJ, and their fanbase merely lies in the thousands... know why?

Their father wasn't one of the greatest American musicians (let alone of country music) of all time.

So a musicians talent criteria depends largely on 2 things (1) Your evaluation upon having actually met them and (2) their NOT being a son of a music Icon.
also it seems like your evaluation of HWJ's talent NOT being indicative of Albums sold actually conflicts with your assumption that HWJ fanbase "merely lies in the thousands" (Which i disprove later in my post) to be wrong based on his album sales but , by your standards i believe albums sold, fandom, popularity doesn't qualify one for Talent. remember, that was your point.

On top of that, he's kind of an ass.

Again, doesn't determine his talent or lack their of.

60 albums? You must be counting compilations and remastered records. I'd **** myself if he released more than 30 without rehashing anything (which he's terribly notorious for if you know how to read music).

Here is some info i googled, it was real easy.This, by the way is the one that really destroys your argument.
The following is a complete discography of all albums and singles released by American country music artist Hank Williams, Jr. to date. In his career, Williams Jr. has released fifty studio albums and fourteen compilation albums. He has released ninety singles and twenty-one music videos. Eleven of his singles have reached Number One in either the United States or Canada.
Hank Williams Jr. has sold 36 million albums world-wide. ....WOW...that "cult" following "fanbase that merely lies in the thousands" have been throwing down some serious dough for this untalented bum, right ?
Hey, btw, i know he has done many covers, but does Radiohead have 30 albums yet?

Talent has very little to do with commercial success, MUR. I can name plenty of bands to back that statement up.

Your mentioning Radiohead discredits you from that, im sorry.lol.

And just so you know, Bob could play drums, guitar, and bass. It's quintessential to reggae music. Duh.

Sorry bout missing that one, that is almost half as many as HWJ by the way. again not hating on Bob just stating a fact.

Who are you to say what destroys credibility, anyway? What credibility do you have, Lester Bangs?

Oh, also I dont know who Lester bangs is or what that means either , sorry.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

I thought this was a serious post until you mentioned Radiohead. thats a good one Dinky

Your immediate dismissal of Radiohead is puzzling. Whether or not their sounds (pluralization intentional, since they're actually capable of progressing their style) ring kindly on your ears, it's hard for anyone with a considerable interest in music to dismiss them as crap. In terms of intricacy, originality, and range, they are one of the best in the past couple of decades. But then again, you've spent the latter half of this thread defending the artistic cajones of Hank Williams, Jr. Lol. I think it's safe to say you have an entry level knowledge of music, let alone alternative rock.

So a musicians talent criteria depends largely on 2 things (1) Your evaluation upon having actually met them and (2) their NOT being a son of a music Icon.
also it seems like your evaluation of HWJ's talent NOT being indicative of Albums sold actually conflicts with your assumption that HWJ fanbase "merely lies in the thousands" (Which i disprove later in my post) to be wrong based on his album sales but , by your standards i believe albums sold, fandom, popularity doesn't qualify one for Talent. remember, that was your point.

I see most of what I said flew over your thick skull. I'll make it real easy for you.

1) The point was that if a young, regular dude like myself was able to meet numerous musicians that displayed more instrumental talent than your rhinestone god ever has (on multiple occasions, nonetheless), then it might be a good indicator that Junior's not all you're making him out to be.

2) If you actually paid attention to what I posted and/or understood sentence structure, you would have caught that the marginal thousands I mentioned did NOT belong to Junior. I was referring to the fanbase of those previously mentioned musicians. Doh!

3) You were correct about my criteria. Talent does not correlate with sales. (See Justin Bieber, Nickelback, Insane Clown Posse etc...) By your standards, Jersey Shore is a rich television program from which any given viewer can take a great deal of life lessons.

Here is some info i googled, it was real easy.This, by the way is the one that really destroys your argument.
The following is a complete discography of all albums and singles released by American country music artist Hank Williams, Jr. to date. In his career, Williams Jr. has released fifty studio albums and fourteen compilation albums. He has released ninety singles and twenty-one music videos. Eleven of his singles have reached Number One in either the United States or Canada.
Hank Williams Jr. has sold 36 million albums world-wide. ....WOW...that "cult" following "fanbase that merely lies in the thousands" have been throwing down some serious dough for this untalented bum, right ?
Hey, btw, i know he has done many covers, but does Radiohead have 30 albums yet?

My argument is hardly scuffed, funny enough. Aside from the fact he is notorious for rehashing lyrical subjects, musical compositions, and on various occasions releasing multiple albums within a year, this does nothing to argue that he has released 5 dozen quality records. As I addressed earlier, your inability to comprehend one sentence makes you look foolish here. I'm aware there are millions of those with tastes as simple as yours. I know the man has millions of fans, but we can always go back to the Beiber argument for that one.

I certainly hope Radiohead doesn't crank out albums at a rate comparable to rabbits reproducing.

Quality > quantity

Your mentioning Radiohead discredits you from that, im sorry.lol.

I've given you a novel's worth of reasons why Junior sucks. I've no doubt you would fail to do the same with Radiohead. There are a ton of bands in my library you could make a legitimate argument against... Radiohead is definitely one of the toughest.

Sorry bout missing that one, that is almost half as many as HWJ by the way. again not hating on Bob just stating a fact.

Not arguing against that, just a correction. God, you really love Junior.

If I have to tell you who Lester Bangs is, then debating the relationship between a musician's popularity versus his/her actual level of talent with you may be the biggest waste of time I've had all week.

:fool:

 

[BelAirVol]

NO doubt Hank Jr is a fairly talented musician, but there is a reason why Radiohead can headline the best musical festival in the world and Hank Jr can't

 

[BeecherVol]

NO doubt Hank Jr is a fairly talented musician, but there is a reason why Radiohead can headline the best musical festival in the world and Hank Jr can't

Neither have any bearing on the others talent.

Hank Jr is held in high regard as it pertains to talent (specifically as a musician and entertainer) by his peers in the style of music he makes. The style or just thinking the guy sucks as a person doesn't take away from his talent.

Michael Jackson was tremendously talented at what he did. I didn't care for any of his songs, but that doesn't change the fact he was very talented.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Can everyone just stop with the Hitler/Nazi comparison comments? Both sides do it and it's nothing but a desperate and ignorant statement.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Neither have any bearing on the others talent.

Hank Jr is held in high regard as it pertains to talent (specifically as a musician and entertainer) by his peers in the style of music he makes. The style or just thinking the guy sucks as a person doesn't take away from his talent.

Michael Jackson was tremendously talented at what he did. I didn't care for any of his songs, but that doesn't change the fact he was very talented.

I'm sorry, but HWJ cannot be put in the same category as MJ or Radiohead. He just can't. I don't see how he's an outstanding singer, musician, or songwriter. Yes, he writes songs and plays multiple instruments... but there's no factual evidence that backs up an extraordinary ability.

 

[BeecherVol]

I'm sorry, but HWJ cannot be put in the same category as MJ or Radiohead. He just can't. I don't see how he's an outstanding singer, musician, or songwriter. Yes, he writes songs and plays multiple instruments... but there's no factual evidence that backs up an extraordinary ability.

And I disagree.

 

[Electric Orange]

Radiohead sucks

 

[gsvol]

Eff Espin.

May they go to hell.

They can host a show on which mike tyson says
he would like to see some tatooed basketball
player poked Sarah Palin's guts into her head
and laugh about it and Hank's comments are
unacceptable.

Eff Espin and I've watched the last Monday
night football game I will ever watch.

Eff Espin and their queer management.

 

[MUR73]

Your immediate dismissal of Radiohead is puzzling. Whether or not their sounds (pluralization intentional, since they're actually capable of progressing their style) ring kindly on your ears, it's hard for anyone with a considerable interest in music to dismiss them as crap. In terms of intricacy, originality, and range, they are one of the best in the past couple of decades.
I see most of what I said flew over your thick skull. I'll make it real easy for you.

1) The point was that if a young, regular dude like myself was able to meet numerous musicians that displayed more instrumental talent than your rhinestone god ever has (on multiple occasions, nonetheless), then it might be a good indicator that Junior's not all you're making him out to be.


Where are the accolades to prove this?, i have presented actual proof and have given you ever thing from 36 million Albums sold worldwide, immense popularity, awards given by fans and music industry peers alike, including 4 times entertainer of the year in his genre, all which you incredulously dismiss as having any validity which shows that a "young, regular dude" may actually be the "thick skull"ed one, and a little butthurt that somone may actually question the talents of his flannel gods, which at best, achievements pale in comparison, even with their "progressive style" & "intracacy".

All i actually have is that Dinky thinks Pablo Honey may be the second coming of the Beatles White Album.
lol. No proof though, just some "young, regular dudes" opinion.Right?

But then again, you've spent the latter half of this thread defending the artistic cajones of Hank Williams, Jr. Lol.

No, I didn't have to actually, just like in sports the stats/numbers speak for themselves, and the fans and his peers have spoke volumes to HWJ talents.

I think it's safe to say you have an entry level knowledge of music, let alone alternative rock.

Ahh, your probably right , however i have been listening to music all my life and owning everything from Classical, blues, bluegrass, country, Rock, Metal, Gospel, Raggae, some pop, some Rap i would say that you may be a little off base.
Also, since i have worked at Thompson Boiling Arena, Neyland Stadium, Tennessee Theatre, Bijou, Civic Colliseum, have also done Outdoor shows at Market Square, Downtown, Chilhowee Park, Worlds fair park, Foothills park, Smokeys ball park, The Lap/Library, etc...setting up concerts for appox 15 years i bet i have seen a few more shows than you have, wouldn't you have to say. Does this make me an expert , hardly, but i think it does disqualify your ignorant assumptions above.........Ouch!


My argument is hardly scuffed, funny enough. Aside from the fact he is notorious for rehashing lyrical subjects, musical compositions, and on various occasions releasing multiple albums within a year, this does nothing to argue that he has released 5 dozen quality records. I'm aware there are millions of those with tastes as simple as yours.

I certainly hope Radiohead doesn't crank out albums at a rate comparable to rabbits reproducing.

Quality > quantity

Wasn't the beforementioned white album a double release back in 1968. I guess your analogy is right, a musician(s) can not release more than 8-9 quality tracks at a time, that makes alot of sense,lol.

I've given you a novel's worth of reasons why Junior sucks. I've no doubt you would fail to do the same with Radiohead. There are a ton of bands in my library you could make a legitimate argument against... Radiohead is definitely one of the toughest.

You haven't even listed enough credible evidence for a comic strip , let alone a novel, to support your condemnation of HWJ or your worship of Radiohead.lol

If I have to tell you who Lester Bangs is, then debating the relationship between a musician's popularity versus his/her actual level of talent with you may be the biggest waste of time I've had all week.


I still don't know who he is and do not care either. I don't need someone to tell me what i like, as i imagine you do not feel you do either. The truth is ones opinion is objective. I personally do not care much for the Grunge scene. I can't pick out one group, other than Nirvana, maybe?, that has that Rolling Stones, Beatles, Aerosmith staying power from that whole scene.

Your comment about Hanks "simple minded" fans is a little puzzling to me though as you seem to give alot of props to Hank Williams Sr., and his music is also very simple, but great. Ask your self in 50 years whos music will have more staying power, will it be Bocephus or Radiohead, my money is on HWJ. But that is my opinon.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

I'm failing to understand the connection between grunge and Radiohead except that it's further proof of how limited your knowledge is.

Radiohead has sold over 30,000,000 records in a third of the time of your god, and none of those are Hank Senior remakes (See HWJ's discography before Family Tradition).

An album with more than ten tracks doesn't restrict itself from quality, but that's irrelevant since an album and a track are not the same thing.

I'm not going to put Radiohead on the same level of the Beatles, although they may achieve that legacy one day (since they're finding more success now than they ever have... sky's the limit), but I hope you're not inferring that HWJ is one the same level as John Lennon. Then you'd go from simply lacking an understanding of music to being just plain silly.

So you're telling me all your music venue jobs have been in the cultural epicenter that is Knoxville? Not surprised.

Despite your line of work, I think you'd be surprised at just how many live shows I've been to. I honestly can't tell you how many ticket stubs I've accumulated in the past 15 years, but I'd bet a fat stack of cash it's well over 300 (again, just ticket stubs). I was raised in a musical household, and have been attending shows since I was 10 years old. I've got 11 2-4 day festivals under my belt and have been studying/playing music since I was younger. On top of that, I've worked shows as well. Go ahead and keep playing the age card... sadly, it may be all you have here.

I don't need to bolster my resume, however. It's pretty obvious you're understanding of music is limited. Again, your popularity/accolades argument sucks. By your standards, Nickelback is the new Led Zeppelin. They have sold the exact same amount of records as Junior on top of winning numerous music awards.

Nickel----effing----back.

Nickelback, MUR!

And if you think HWJ is going to leave a greater legacy than Radiohead, you may be right if we're talking about this specific part of the country. I guarantee more people across the world know who Radiohead is than HWJ, but he's got 'em beat if we're talking about the population in Halls.

I'm done with this discussion... I may as well be debating literary achievements of post-revolution France with Paris Hilton.

But one more time... NICKELBACK.