Harbaugh Show Cause

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As long as Michigan retains their 2023 national title, the Michigan retort to these piddling sanctions will continue be "worth it." Which only reinforces the idea of poor sportsmanship and cheating as vehicles to victory.
 
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THEONLYTENISEE said:
Couldn’t UK have challenged that?
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It wasn’t so much that they got paid, it was the SOURCE of the funds. They diverted money earmarked for the university hospital…I thought it was for the children’s section. That’s
fraud. Doubt they want to air out the details in court.
 
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adam.vol said:
It shows that the NCAA is progressing towards the school. That 2023 national title is not going to have an owner soon.
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The NCAA doesn't award a championship in FBS so there's nothing they can do.

The NFL has in the past claimed coaches with current show causes/suspensions in college could face discipline in the pros. This will certainly test that.

"The NFL is unlikely to make itself a safe harbor for Harbaugh to escape what could be substantial NCAA discipline, league sources say, raising the strong possibility Harbaugh would need to serve some or all of any possible suspension he could face in college if he returns to the pros."

NFL likely won't be safe harbor for Michigan HC Jim Harbaugh from potential NCAA discipline
 
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butchna said:
It wasn’t so much that they got paid, it was the SOURCE of the funds. They diverted money earmarked for the university hospital…I thought it was for the children’s section. That’s
fraud. Doubt they want to air out the details in court.
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What? Kentucky stole money from children to pay players?
 
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dobre_shunka said:
The NCAA doesn't award a championship in FBS so there's nothing they can do.

The NFL has in the past claimed coaches with current show causes/suspensions in college could face discipline in the pros. This will certainly test that.

"The NFL is unlikely to make itself a safe harbor for Harbaugh to escape what could be substantial NCAA discipline, league sources say, raising the strong possibility Harbaugh would need to serve some or all of any possible suspension he could face in college if he returns to the pros."

NFL likely won't be safe harbor for Michigan HC Jim Harbaugh from potential NCAA discipline
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Why was the NCAA able to strip USC of their title?
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adam.vol said:
Why was the NCAA able to strip USC of their title?
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The University of Southern California (USC) vacated multiple national championships after an NCAA investigation into the school's football and men's basketball programs in 2010:
  • 2004 BCS title
    USC was forced to vacate its final two wins of the 2004 season, including the BCS championship game, after investigators found that star player Reggie Bush was ineligible beginning in December 2004. In June 2011, USC was stripped of the title, but the Associated Press (AP) still recognizes USC as the 2004 national champion.
  • 2005 Orange Bowl
    USC was also forced to vacate all wins from the 2005 season, including the 2005 Orange Bowl, the only BCS National Championship Game ever vacated by the winning team. However, USC did retain the AP national title.
 
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stolitonic said:
That was before the Playoffs

The playoffs committee is completely separate from the NCAA and would be who awards the championship
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You guys make a good point, but I think you’re missing the bigger picture. Before the playoffs it was the AFCA who awarded the championship trophy. It didn’t come from the NCAA.

It doesn’t matter who the trophy came from. If you don’t play by the NCAA’s rules, you can either comply or leave. No other school is going to leave with Michigan when the issue is that they cheated against other said schools. If the NCAA says give the trophy up or leave, Michigan ain’t going to start a league of their own. I don’t see the Supreme Court getting involved in this one, either. I see the NCAA about to flex their muscles on Michigan.
 
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adam.vol said:
Why was the NCAA able to strip USC of their title?
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The NCAA has a page on their website that lists football champions as declared by other organizations (AP, USA Today, Bowl Alliance, BCS, etc.) throughout the history of the sport. They can certainly delete any team they want from that page but it's meaningless.
 
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WillisWG said:
www.ncaa.com

College football championship history

Here is a comprehensive list of every college football champion from 1869 to the present day.
www.ncaa.com www.ncaa.com

USC still there
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Why were there two national champions in 2003?


Despite the national controversy, the games went on. USC beat Michigan 28-14 in the Rose Bowl, and LSU beat Oklahoma 21-14 in the Sugar Bowl. LSU was declared national champions by the BCS, but the AP voters chose to not adhere to the BCS computers and declared USC its national champions. Split champions.
 
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The two most fascinating subplots that nobody has been able to provide answers too...

1) If Big Ten teams knew of Michigan's alleged sign stealing in September of 2022 (which has been reported by multiple people) then how come no one reported it to the Big Ten till October of 2023?

2) How in the hell did Conor Stalions get on the CMU sideline?
 
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