Harold Ford Jr. to work for Fox News

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I just had a problem with the whole notion about how liberal and biased CNN and MSNBC supposedly are but if I say anything about FNC, you'd think I committed treason OR said something horrible about God. I have no problem with FNC being biased. They are a corporation who is out to make money. They know many on the right choose slanted news but yet those same devoted followers say any other slanted news network is somehow evil or bad.

Just admit it is biased and that's it. Anyone thinking FNC truly is "Fair and Balanced" has been sipping a colored sugar water.
 
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DAVOL said:
Hey cspin I guess the crickets are still chirping but hell they can't give examples of something that does not exist.:victory:
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Same goes for you not being able to give examples of FNC being a right wing conservative propaganda machine.
 
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What difference does it make whether someone is conservative or liberal as long as opinion doesn't get represented as hard news?
 
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allvol123 said:
Same goes for you not being able to give examples of FNC being a right wing conservative propaganda machine.
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4pm to 10pm all hosts of every show are republicans everyone 100% the only one that even approaches the center is s smith but his show is about actual news or tabloid fluff not opinion pieces like the rest.
 
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DAVOL said:
4pm to 10pm all hosts of every show are republicans everyone 100% the only one that even approaches the center is s smith but his show is about actual news or tabloid fluff not opinion pieces like the rest.
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A republican does not necessarily make a conservative.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
I just had a problem with the whole notion about how liberal and biased CNN and MSNBC supposedly are but if I say anything about FNC, you'd think I committed treason OR said something horrible about God. I have no problem with FNC being biased. They are a corporation who is out to make money. They know many on the right choose slanted news but yet those same devoted followers say any other slanted news network is somehow evil or bad.

Just admit it is biased and that's it. Anyone thinking FNC truly is "Fair and Balanced" has been sipping a colored sugar water.
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That is my big problem with fnc is that for years they have used some of the worst examples of false advertising I have seen as their slogan .
 
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DAVOL said:
4pm to 10pm all hosts of every show are republicans everyone 100% the only one that even approaches the center is s smith but his show is about actual news or tabloid fluff not opinion pieces like the rest.
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Brit Hume is definitely conservative, but I think he actually does a pretty good job keeping it down the middle.
 
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Who is saying that FNC isn't a right-leaning news org.? I would agree that it is right-leaning but no more than CNN, MSNBC and at times NBC are left leaning.
 
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When it all comes down to it, don't watch it if you don't like it. It's pretty simple.
 
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GAVol said:
What difference does it make whether someone is conservative or liberal as long as opinion doesn't get represented as hard news?
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You're missing the point. "Fair and Balanced" as their chief slogan is not true. There is no issue with biased news. The issue is pretending it is not biased.
 
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volinbham said:
Who is saying that FNC isn't a right-leaning news org.? I would agree that it is right-leaning but no more than CNN, MSNBC and at times NBC are left leaning.
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No more than? I think the other networks try a lot harder to balance their hosts than FNC.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
No more than? I think the other networks try a lot harder to balance their hosts than FNC.
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Bias is a lot more than hosts. Also, I don't consider opinion/analysis shows to be news. For me, I'm just looking at the anchors throughout the day (and their commentary), the stories that are chosen along with the relative emphasis and the perspective from which the story is told (and what info is included). On those criteria, the bias is relatively equal and opposite.
 
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GAVol said:
Brit Hume is definitely conservative, but I think he actually does a pretty good job keeping it down the middle.
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Agreed - a good example of bias through choice of story and story perspective is the "Grapevine" segment on the show Hume hosts. Many of the stories tell a different side of an issue that is reported in other major media outlets. These are direct examples of the bias that appears on both sides.
 
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As am I. I have seen repeatedly where personal bias has come out of the hosts throughout the day. Maybe you misunderstood me and thought I was only referring to the prime time shows. I am talking across the board. There have been a few stories I've seen that were top concern but Fox either did not discuss them or aired them much later after they broke.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
As am I. I have seen repeatedly where personal bias has come out of the hosts throughout the day. Maybe you misunderstood me and thought I was only referring to the prime time shows. I am talking across the board. There have been a few stories I've seen that were top concern but Fox either did not discuss them or aired them much later after they broke.
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No doubt - personal bias does come out - I just don't see anymore of it on FNC than on the other stations I've mentioned.

When you bring Hannity into the discussion though, you are no longer talking about news hosts.
 
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volinbham said:
When you bring Hannity into the discussion though, you are no longer talking about news hosts.
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Did I say NEWS hosts? Again, I said across the board. I am talking major faces on each network. These are the ones people associate the networks with or vice versa.
 
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When I was in college, I recall the poly sci textbooks actually stating that jouralists needed to champion the socialist/liberal POV to counteract the pro-business/conservative POV of ownership. I'm guessing that the texts still present it that way even though most major media is now owned by publicly traded corporations that try very hard to avoid expressing any political view for fear of alientaing potential customers.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
When I was in college, I recall the poly sci textbooks actually stating that jouralists needed to champion the socialist/liberal POV to counteract the pro-business/conservative POV of ownership. I'm guessing that the texts still present it that way even though most major media is now owned by publicly traded corporations that try very hard to avoid expressing any political view for fear of alientaing potential customers.
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Part of a liberal bias is what you suggest here. It is not Rep/Dem; it is weak vs. powerful. If journalists are trained to consistently question what the powerful say or do - to look for any evidence of wrongdoing and magnify it - they are taking a side against the powerful. Some might say that this is the press' job - to be a watchdog. Possibly so, but it is still a bias.

A subtle example - Soledad (sp?) O'brien won an award (Image Award I think) for her reporting on Katrina - in her acceptance speech, she said (paraphrasing) she wanted to give a voice to those who could not speak. Nothing wrong with that but unless her story is balanced with one that tells another side, it is a biased piece - it only presents one-side, one-perspective. When this approach is repeated over and over, you see a pattern of bias -- those in power are bad, are up to no good, only make the news if we can dig up dirt on them. Those not in power are presented as victims, well-intentioned, and sympathetic.
 
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