Hart & UT after 3 years...

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Wow, this was a really encouraging article on all the changes Hart and others have brought to UT athletics in the last 3 years. Wish I could be in Knoxville (or the States for that matter!) to see how much things have changed.

Three Years Of Progress Under Hart - UTSPORTS.COM - University of Tennessee Athletics

Btw, I had chills reading about all the head coaches coming out to congratulate the softball team after their runner-up finish at the World Series!
 
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"We are the envy of our peers relative to student attendance at sporting events."

One of my favorite quotes from the article. I wish my time at UT wasn't plagued by the worst stretch of football in the program's history. Oh well.

GO VOLS!
 
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I have to tell you, I'm still not sold on Hart as AD. Time will tell, but CBJ almost had to push himself onto Hart to get his position, he was far from first choice. I don't think he has handled the women's athletics program particularly well, see the lawsuits filed over there by long time employees who were forced out. I am biased with the storied history of UT athletics and it being an institution of higher learning that we apparently could or would not find a UT grad qualified to do that job, just sticks in my craw is all I'm sayin'.
 
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Hart appeared to completely bungle the coaching search. He's probably quite lucky Butch didn't go ahead and take one of the several offers he turned down before Hart even contacted him. Still not sure about the hire itself either. We were listed by many as being the most desirable job available and we certainly paid more than anyone save Arkansas, but I think you'd have to conclude at this point that Malzahn was the better hire. The jury is still out on Bielema, as it is with Butch, but we know Bielema had the more impressive resume. And one wonders about other guys who were available like Gary Anderson. The jury is still out with them too. Hopefully, in a few years we'll be able to say definitively whether Hart made the best hire or not.

Maybe Butch gets us back to winning championships. If that happens, Hart will probably be given a good deal of credit. But, as it stands now, Hart has presided over the worst period in our football program's history.
 
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Remy said:
I have to tell you, I'm still not sold on Hart as AD. Time will tell, but CBJ almost had to push himself onto Hart to get his position, he was far from first choice. I don't think he has handled the women's athletics program particularly well, see the lawsuits filed over there by long time employees who were forced out. I am biased with the storied history of UT athletics and it being an institution of higher learning that we apparently could or would not find a UT grad qualified to do that job, just sticks in my craw is all I'm sayin'.
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oregonvol said:
Hart appeared to completely bungle the coaching search. He's probably quite lucky Butch didn't go ahead and take one of the several offers he turned down before Hart even contacted him. Still not sure about the hire itself either. We were listed by many as being the most desirable job available and we certainly paid more than anyone save Arkansas, but I think you'd have to conclude at this point that Malzahn was the better hire. The jury is still out on Bielema, as it is with Butch, but we know Bielema had the more impressive resume. And one wonders about other guys who were available like Gary Anderson. The jury is still out with them too. Hopefully, in a few years we'll be able to say definitively whether Hart made the best hire or not.

Maybe Butch gets us back to winning championships. If that happens, Hart will probably be given a good deal of credit. But, as it stands now, Hart has presided over the worst period in our football program's history.
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No, that would be Mike Hamilton. He fiddled like Nero while Rome was burning, waited untio it was in shambles and too late to fix quickly, and then made one disastrous hire after another.

Hamilton pushed it into the abyss, and not Hart. I think we are starting to climb out.
 
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emzeeee said:
He didn't hire Dooley. He's fixing the problems of the ****bag that used to be AD
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He didn't fire him quickly enough, either.

I agree, and have said before, Mike Hamilton is possibly the most incompetent AD in the history of college football. We all know Hart walked into a bad situation. But there's only so long you get to blame your predecessor. At a certain point, results have to improve or you aren't part of the solution.
 
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oregonvol said:
He didn't fire him quickly enough, either.

I agree, and have said before, Mike Hamilton is possibly the most incompetent AD in the history of college football. We all know Hart walked into a bad situation. But there's only so long you get to blame your predecessor. At a certain point, results have to improve or you aren't part of the solution.
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I agree he gave Dooley one too many seasons. But the entire article is about how things have improved. Did you read it... or no?
 
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oregonvol said:
Hart appeared to completely bungle the coaching search. He's probably quite lucky Butch didn't go ahead and take one of the several offers he turned down before Hart even contacted him. Still not sure about the hire itself either. We were listed by many as being the most desirable job available and we certainly paid more than anyone save Arkansas, but I think you'd have to conclude at this point that Malzahn was the better hire. The jury is still out on Bielema, as it is with Butch, but we know Bielema had the more impressive resume. And one wonders about other guys who were available like Gary Anderson. The jury is still out with them too. Hopefully, in a few years we'll be able to say definitively whether Hart made the best hire or not.

Maybe Butch gets us back to winning championships. If that happens, Hart will probably be given a good deal of credit. But, as it stands now, Hart has presided over the worst period in our football program's history.
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That has to be Hamilton. Hamilton made the Kiffin hire and the Dooley hire and had to fire Fulmer. Fulmer needed to go but it was handled very poorly at the time.

Hart may have fell backwards into a pot of gold but I'd rather have a lucky fool at this point than a buffoon like Hamilton.
 
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emzeeee said:
I agree he gave Dooley one too many seasons. But the entire article is about how things have improved. Did you read it... or no?
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Facility improvement and student attendance improvement are nice (On the other hand, Hamilton improved facilities too and student attendance could hardly go any where but up). But on the field results are what ultimately matter and we are still waiting on those.
 
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Remy said:
I have to tell you, I'm still not sold on Hart as AD. Time will tell, but CBJ almost had to push himself onto Hart to get his position, he was far from first choice. I don't think he has handled the women's athletics program particularly well, see the lawsuits filed over there by long time employees who were forced out. I am biased with the storied history of UT athletics and it being an institution of higher learning that we apparently could or would not find a UT grad qualified to do that job, just sticks in my craw is all I'm sayin'.
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Butch wasn't my first choice either, but he is now!
 
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Hart IMO has dorm a great job with the hand he was dealt. People don't truly realize (or don't wanna believe) what a utter disaster the UT athletics dept had become. IMO people are judging Hart off of the things they see being done ie. coaching hires athletic records etc. but the things they don't see is what I going to ultimately bring us back. He is and has done a lot behind the scenes that don't get media coverage.
 
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emzeeee said:
I agree he gave Dooley one too many seasons. But the entire article is about how things have improved. Did you read it... or no?
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With that job, he HAS to consider more than W/L...I'm more than confident he would've loved to fire DD after that UK loss...but Dooley would've gotten another million or so in buyout money...

Who could we have afforded to hire then? Just sayin...
 
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PastorVolFan said:
With that job, he HAS to consider more than W/L...I'm more than confident he would've loved to fire DD after that UK loss...but Dooley would've gotten another million or so in buyout money...

Who could we have afforded to hire then? Just sayin...
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I meant for my heart's sake. I have no problems with the business decisions he made.
 
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emzeeee said:
I meant for my heart's sake. I have no problems with the business decisions he made.
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Lol, I hear ya...I wanted everybody gone after that debacle in Lexington...

Well, everybody except the WR coach who left...Geesh, what a time that was...
 
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Well I certainly can't complain. I like both of the hires that he has made so far. Go Vawls!
 
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It was a dumpster fire. You can only clean up so much in a few short years. This thing started in the early 00"s. About 13 years worth of bad management to clean up.
 
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oregonvol said:
Hart appeared to completely bungle the coaching search. He's probably quite lucky Butch didn't go ahead and take one of the several offers he turned down before Hart even contacted him. Still not sure about the hire itself either. We were listed by many as being the most desirable job available and we certainly paid more than anyone save Arkansas, but I think you'd have to conclude at this point that Malzahn was the better hire. The jury is still out on Bielema, as it is with Butch, but we know Bielema had the more impressive resume. And one wonders about other guys who were available like Gary Anderson. The jury is still out with them too. Hopefully, in a few years we'll be able to say definitively whether Hart made the best hire or not.

Maybe Butch gets us back to winning championships. If that happens, Hart will probably be given a good deal of credit. But, as it stands now, Hart has presided over the worst period in our football program's history.
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Gary Anderson a better hire? You lost me with any credibility, your thoughts on this subject are junk!
 
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oregonvol said:
He didn't fire him quickly enough, either.

I agree, and have said before, Mike Hamilton is possibly the most incompetent AD in the history of college football. We all know Hart walked into a bad situation. But there's only so long you get to blame your predecessor. At a certain point, results have to improve or you aren't part of the solution.
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Hart could not just walk in and fire Dooley. There were too many fans and several major contributors who stood behind CDD up until the Missouri loss. Hart would have generated -a lot- of ill will for himself had he fired Dooley mid season. Of course there are those such as youself who jump him because he didn't.

I haven't really heard Hart blame his predecessor. He has talked about inefficiencies, but much of the machinery of the old athletic department was already in place when Hamilton took over, he just didn't fix that either, and allowed organizational bloat to continue apace. The administration had already determined to have a Reduction In Force and restructure the athletic department. Hart was hired to execute the RIF and lead the restructure. There are always those who believe they should stay and others should go. Then the new organization it's course and steams ahead. From what I've seen living here in Knoxville and having been on campus two or three times a week over the last 8 years for my kids, apart from Hamilton's stadium renovations, Hart is overseeing major positive concrete and steel renovations as described in the article. His hires have not yet been busts. Those who say he botched the Gruden offer are just pissing in the wind. Gruden was never coming here during the dumpster fire that was UT athletics as a result of Hamilton and his predecessors.

So far, I see Hart's performance as more than adequate pretty much across the board. Yes, that can change.
 
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