Has Serrano Conceded the State in Recruiting?

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BruinVol said:
Lee is one of the better instate recruits for DS but we will have to agree to disagree about him being elite. IMO he would be more of a high 3 star rating kind of talent for those that follow football recruiting.
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Too inconsistent in football. He will make a good pro in baseball.
 
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CTim said:
I know of one ELITE Tennessee recruit that watched Serrano this year and didn't like the way he treated some of his players. He has gone elsewhere. Serrano has also been caught failing to relay information from scouts to his players, something his predecessor was well known for. Considering that most players have aspirations of playing after college this does nothing to instill confidence in Serrano and would be something most players with a future should avoid. I really thought we had gotten past that kind of stuff. Maybe not.
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You're a crazy person if you believe one word of this. Good job, troll.
 
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Ds has gone out of state and has committed several very talented cali kids who will turn heads. i've watched fullerton and urvine get to the CWS with guys who sit 86-88 with 3 plus pitches and who just know how to win! this is fact! Ds is known for getting guys who just win, not necessarily guys with big names and 94 MPH Fb's. Trust me when i say you're about to see a team assembled that play as a team, and not a team of individuals. The SEC a power hitting conf, DS knows this, time to keep guys off balance and stock pile wins based on smart baseball, not just names.
 
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Not sure I'm buying the theory. Are you saying the 94 mph arms can't be taught to mix and paint, that the other SEC coaches don't know how to teach team ball?

When I read that Florida has 11 recruits rated in the top 175 and USCe has 7, and Vandy and TAMU have 5, and pretty much everyone else in the SEC has at least 3, and UTK has none (my numbers might be a little off but you get the idea), I have to think it's still a long road ahead of us before we become competitive again. I hope you're right, but I'm taking the long view.
 
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I completely understand your take "showmevols" but at times coaches get caught up in the hype of a 60 time or the number that pops on a radar gun. based on those numbers they go straight to the top. with that said, i've seen plenty of those guys who don't translate to big college baseball. We take diamonds and polish them, we don't take rocks and turn them into diamonds. meaning, just because you can hump up 94 and beat high school kids, does'nt mean you can get that flat straight ball to move enough to beat an SEC hitter. and no not everyone can learn a plus pitch like a hammer, cutter or a DS change up. but 94 sure looks pretty on the gun haha. With that said, i agree with your analazes too, there are dudes coming out of high school with big arms who are diamonds, would be nice to grab a couple. All I know is i've witnessed DS turn above average teams into grinders, that equates to winning. I'd be shocked if that didnt happen at Tenn as well. And for the record, yes i'm a little bias, for reasons i'll keep private. Go vols! Great message board!
 
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Being able to turn a fring talent into a star is huge when rebuilding a program but it cant be the long term plan. DS must begin to get some of those top 150 type talents to sign and the come to school over the draft. If his plan is to take every mid 80's type arm because they have some pitchability as opposed to recruiting the elite talent then he will fail in a conference that has proven elite talent wins!
 
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really? ask Florida how that worked out for them this year. By far the most talented team in the country. All i'm saying is recruiting is based upon projectability, not fact. I certainly don't think your opinions are wrong or without merit, i just choose to go with DS's system which has proven to be pretty good. And to prove my point, DS coached in the Big West, if you listen to the so called "experts" its a notch below the PAC, which means you don't get the 5 tool dudes, you get the "so called" 1 notch down dudes. yet all he has managed to do is get to the CWS. Theory is nice, but numbers don't lie. always enjoy reading your post Bruin, obviously a knowledgeable dude.
 
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Playball said:
really? ask Florida how that worked out for them this year. By far the most talented team in the country. All i'm saying is recruiting is based upon projectability, not fact. I certainly don't think your opinions are wrong or without merit, i just choose to go with DS's system which has proven to be pretty good. And to prove my point, DS coached in the Big West, if you listen to the so called "experts" its a notch below the PAC, which means you don't get the 5 tool dudes, you get the "so called" 1 notch down dudes. yet all he has managed to do is get to the CWS. Theory is nice, but numbers don't lie. always enjoy reading your post Bruin, obviously a knowledgeable dude.
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Are you saying florida is evidence your theory is better?
 
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Playball said:
All i'm saying is recruiting is based upon projectability, not fact.

Theory is nice, but numbers don't lie.
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playball you and I should grab a beer. it sounds like we could have a great discussion about this. Here is my take and I don't think our opinion is far apart from each other.

There are three types of recruitable players.
1) players that are extremely productive but slightly shy in a tool of being elite or body type. This player isn't the type that is a threat to be a draft out of high school.

2) players that are very projectable but lack in some area of being productive. This type player is very appealing to pro scouts as they aren't concerned with winning games.

3) players that are elite talents that are also polished productive projectable players . This player is a high draft pick out of high school.


If I understand your point you think DS favors the type 1 player. I agree totally with you if the first 2 type players are the only choice but my point is if Tennessee is to be successful those type 3 players have to put on an orange uniform.
 
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Not at all, just pointing out that games still have to be played. it's not an exact science and no one method is an absolute. I've had my doors blown off by ched, and my feet screwed into the ground by thumbers, wouldn't want to face either if i had a choice. good is good and they come in all different forms of the word. just saying i like the vols chances with a guy like DS at the helm. Doesnt guarantee anything, but it ups probability, and that's all you can ask for in this manic game we call baseball. with that said, I had Florida winning it all before the season started. Eliminated by Kent state, on any given day my friend.
 
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Well, I don't know the individual players and I hope you're right.

From what I've seen so far in the Serrano era, I'm expecting a few years with very big recruiting classes, each noticeably but not dramatically better than the one before, and high turnover as he decides which of the rocks in each class are really diamonds.

That process should take about three years to get to the top half of the conference. Once there, he should be able to consistently bring in top 20 recruiting classes like he had in California. If you're right and it happens sooner, I will be very happy to be wrong.
 
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Bruin, i live in cali but will be there the 16th for a few days, would love to get a beer and get to know some people! i take it you're local? BTW, Your spot on with your previous post!

Showmevol, I couldn't have said it any better! typically it wld take more than 3 years to turn a dog program(sorry) into a contender, but once upon a time there was a little bitty school name uc urvine who proved that theory wrong. Horton did it at oregon and DS did it at Urvine, and i believe they both learned how to do it from a guy named Augie Garrido. The vols will be young but willing to run through a wall for DS or the turnover rate you talk about will start sooner rather than later! 2 years and people are going to be shaking their heads, The Univerisity Of Tennessee will no longer be an easy win!

Pride will be restored boys, that i know will happen.
 
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Losing the two JUCO players to the pros (for low signing bonuses) will really affect the Vols' success this year. The talent on the pitching staff will continue to be very thin.
 
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