Has there been a Toss sweep this season with Dylan?

[Orange defense]

I haven’t seen one, but if you have? What game was it in? Can we add it to the offense if we haven’t done it yet? How effective would it be?

 

[FLVOL_79]

There was gonna be one against Ohio..you just blew the secret gameplan.

 

[cherokeeeVOL]

Pretty sure they don’t ever run to the outside. Instead it’s a screen pass.

 

[TAF]

There was gonna be one against Ohio..you just blew the secret gameplan.

AND…it was gonna be with Boo!

 

[WillisWG]

it was pretty in 23

 

[BigOrangeLoyalist]

C’mon, you know we don’t run outside the tackles. That’s just a preposterous thought…

 

[cherokeeeVOL]

it was pretty in 23

That pitch

 

[TennesseeTarheel]

it was pretty in 23

He just couldn't help himself!

 

[Carlitovol]

I sometimes wonder how much some misdirection and sweep action would enhance our offense. I think an occasional jet sweep would be a nice wrinkle - to keep the defense guessing and on their toes a bit. Seems like our run game is very predictable..

Another play we haven’t seen in a while (maybe not a single time this season?) is a QB option run. I’m guessing Nico isn’t comfortable with it , because you’d have to think there’d be big play potential with Sampson getting using his speed on the pitch.

 

[DazzleVol]

There was gonna be one against Ohio..you just blew the secret gameplan.

Wrong, heupel said there were to be no changes or wrinkles for the OSU game

 

[Vol in Buckeye Land]

Wrong, heupel said there were to be no changes or wrinkles for the OSU game

He followed that comment with a smirk.

 

[wtmvol]

I'm certainly no expert, but when our offensive sets are designed around wide splits, wouldn't runs to the outside just run us right to where the defenders are? We don't necessarily need to be creative in the run plays when the scheme itself is already creative. IMO, the proof is in the pudding. We led all power conference teams in rushing yds/game this year and we were #3 last year. We've averaged over 5.0ypc for 3 straight years.

 

[volmandu]

Seems like our run game is very predictable..

2988 yards and 32 TDs .. I will take that 'predictable' any day, all day .

 

[Carlitovol]

2988 yards and 32 TDs .. I will take that 'predictable' any day, all day .

I'd still like to see a reverse jet to Bru and let him get up a full head of steam. Just sayin.

Seriously, I think with some horizontal misdirection sprinkled in, those stats would be even better. And it's probably more optics than anything else - i.e. "wait, we're running it straight up the middle again"?
But I totally get that there are various nuances to blocking schemes etc. and it's not nearly that simple. (believe me I am not an X/Os guru).

I also think some of it has to do w/ offensive philosophy of the super wide splits and trying to stretch the D across the field. The whole point of extending the defense and making them commit numbers in certain areas of the field is that you want to exploit vulnerability.. In that line of thinking, if you have a light box due to more defenders being committed toward the sideline, why would you run outside right into the teeth of that formation? Of course if you have the right numbers in the box, you want to run straight up the middle into that space and get N/S asap.

 

[temptn]

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Josh has been saving for this moment all year, he has them right where he wants them.

 

[deatojl]

Just out of curiosity, does this count as an outside run or is it up the middle?

 

[barney]

I haven’t seen one, but if you have? What game was it in? Can we add it to the offense if we haven’t done it yet? How effective would it be?

they ran a crack toss against NC state I feel like

 

[Vol865]

it was pretty in 23

That's a Speed Option

 

[Vol865]

I sometimes wonder how much some misdirection and sweep action would enhance our offense. I think an occasional jet sweep would be a nice wrinkle - to keep the defense guessing and on their toes a bit. Seems like our run game is very predictable..

Another play we haven’t seen in a while (maybe not a single time this season?) is a QB option run. I’m guessing Nico isn’t comfortable with it , because you’d have to think there’d be big play potential with Sampson getting using his speed on the pitch.

We already have misdirection. We run a few variations of counter. We have plays where guards pull the opposite of where the play is going too.

 

[volmandu]

I'd still like to see a reverse jet to Bru and let him get up a full head of steam. Just sayin.

Seriously, I think with some horizontal misdirection sprinkled in, those stats would be even better. And it's probably more optics than anything else - i.e. "wait, we're running it straight up the middle again"?
But I totally get that there are various nuances to blocking schemes etc. and it's not nearly that simple. (believe me I am not an X/Os guru).

I also think some of it has to do w/ offensive philosophy of the super wide splits and trying to stretch the D across the field. The whole point of extending the defense and making them commit numbers in certain areas of the field is that you want to exploit vulnerability.. In that line of thinking, if you have a light box due to more defenders being committed toward the sideline, why would you run outside right into the teeth of that formation? Of course if you have the right numbers in the box, you want to run straight up the middle into that space and get N/S asap.

I agree with you on jet sweeps and mis-directions. They had a lot of those in 2022 .. may be it was Golesh or having a QB who could run it better at that time .. I was just reacting to your part about run game being predictable amid most prolific year we are having

 

[barney]

if you watch the film guy's breakdown of the game he highlights a lot of progress and creativity in our run game. It started out pretty poopy this year but has gotten a lot better.

 

[901 Orange]

I haven’t seen one, but if you have? What game was it in? Can we add it to the offense if we haven’t done it yet? How effective would it be?

There is no need to toss sweep if u can get 5ypc running between the tackles. It also kinda negates having the wide splits, which we do for the sole purpose of making the box light. I'm not going to get multiple defenders lined up outside the numbers only to toss sweep the ball right at them. That quick screen outside is our toss sweep, but with better blocking angles.

 

[76volman]

Haven't seen a running back screen or tight end screen either. If so, not used hardly at all.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

We already have misdirection. We run a few variations of counter. We have plays where guards pull the opposite of where the play is going too.

We've also run a trap a couple of times

 

[utvols74]

I'd still like to see a reverse jet to Bru and let him get up a full head of steam. Just sayin.

Seriously, I think with some horizontal misdirection sprinkled in, those stats would be even better. And it's probably more optics than anything else - i.e. "wait, we're running it straight up the middle again"?
But I totally get that there are various nuances to blocking schemes etc. and it's not nearly that simple. (believe me I am not an X/Os guru).

I also think some of it has to do w/ offensive philosophy of the super wide splits and trying to stretch the D across the field. The whole point of extending the defense and making them commit numbers in certain areas of the field is that you want to exploit vulnerability.. In that line of thinking, if you have a light box due to more defenders being committed toward the sideline, why would you run outside right into the teeth of that formation? Of course if you have the right numbers in the box, you want to run straight up the middle into that space and get N/S asap.

This is exactly how Michigan won a Natty last year. Misdirection and execution. Confuse the defense or at least get to hesitate just a bit so the RB gets past the 2nd level.