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Down 19-17, 2nd down. In range to kick a 35-38 yard field goal, Manning gets flagged for the most obvious intentional grounding I have ever seen, knocks the Colts out of FG range. This one choke job will result in a 13-3 record for the Colts, and they will lose in their first or second playoff games (they won't even make it to the Super Bowl.)
 
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(sonofajohn @ Dec 18 said:
Down 19-17, 2nd down. In range to kick a 35-38 yard field goal, Manning gets flagged for the most obvious intentional grounding I have ever seen, knocks the Colts out of FG range. This one choke job will result in a 13-3 record for the Colts, and they will lose in their first or second playoff games (they won't even make it to the Super Bowl.)
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goes to show u all u gotta do is put pressure on him and he has trouble. The patriots have done it threw the years and florida done it to him in college. Nothing against him though, he is still the best QB on the planet
 
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How the hell can you say he chocked?? They're 13-1 dude. If you think he can't comeback from being down big then you need to look back to this years MNF game against the Rams when they was down 17-0 and came back to win 45-28. If that's not good enough then go back to the MNF game against the Bucs a few years back when the Colts scored like 21 pts in 4 minutes to beat the defending Super Bowl champs in thier stadium.

It's amazing you can say he chocked for losing thier first game in week 14 :rolleyes:
 
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(sonofajohn @ Dec 18 said:
Down 19-17, 2nd down. In range to kick a 35-38 yard field goal, Manning gets flagged for the most obvious intentional grounding I have ever seen, knocks the Colts out of FG range. This one choke job will result in a 13-3 record for the Colts, and they will lose in their first or second playoff games (they won't even make it to the Super Bowl.)
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At this point wether they finish 15-1 or 13-3 doesn't mean a thing. Thanks for posting this oh because I'm getting a good laugh from it! :boredom:
 
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(Rocky Top @ Dec 18 said:
How the hell can you say he chocked?? They're 13-1 dude. If you think he can't comeback from being down big then you need to look back to this years MNF game against the Rams when they was down 17-0 and came back to win 45-28. If that's not good enough then go back to the MNF game against the Bucs a few years back when the Colts scored like 21 pts in 4 minutes to beat the defending Super Bowl champs in thier stadium.

It's amazing you can say he chocked for losing thier first game in week 14 :rolleyes:
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Its not amazing at all. Since last week they clinched home field advantage, this was the first game the Colts were playing to achieve perfection (i.e. the first game the Colts have played to be recognized as the greatest team in NFL history, or at least tied.) So, week 14 was the first game the Colts were playing to go undefeated. Peyton Manning cannot handle that kind of pressure, and never has been able to.
 
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Yeah i hate it when peyton leads his team to one of the best starts ever and then loses ONE game...

so since everyone else has lost 2 games or more i will have to say they have ALL choked..

get off peyton manning, his recivers were dropping balls all day, that is not his fault is it???
 
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Arguably one of the greatest teams of all times, the Bears Super bowl champ team, blew a game to Miami when Miami was less than spectacular.

Hardly call this a monumental collapse.
 
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(sonofajohn @ Dec 18 said:
Its not amazing at all. Since last week they clinched home field advantage, this was the first game the Colts were playing to achieve perfection (i.e. the first game the Colts have played to be recognized as the greatest team in NFL history, or at least tied.) So, week 14 was the first game the Colts were playing to go undefeated. Peyton Manning cannot handle that kind of pressure, and never has been able to.
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I thought every team started out the season trying to win ALL thier games. I must have been wrong. I guess the only team that hasn't chocked EVERY single season was the Dolphins... :dunno:
 
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I think you are confusing Peyton with the Colts O-Line. If they'd given him ANY protection in the 4th, the colts would have won. It's hard to mount a good drive when you've been knocked down 5-6 consecutive plays. Where he was, and where the penalty ended up weren't really far apart. Turned a 3rd and 16-17 into a 3rd and 20. Then, when they are making a drive for the endzone, his receiver misses the catch, it gets deflected, then intercepted.

This was the worst I'd ever seen the Colt's O-Line this year. They were completely manhandled and made STUPID blocks. Don't double team a DE when you've got a LB blitzing the inside.
Give Manning a couple seconds, he'll throw you some TD's. Leave a bunch of holes, it's hard to have time to find a receiver.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, how about when they did get stopped, and punted. The Punter put it on the 1, but the coverage guy didn't evne get close to the ball. He didn't do his job, and gave it to them on the 20. Then, the Colts D allows an 84 yard TD run, after already burning one time out.

Who choked? Peyton came back to get ahead, and the D gave up MORE points to a backup Rb who made them look stupid.
 
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So you base your opinion that they won't make the Super Bowl on the fact that Peyton had an intentional grounding penalty today?
 
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(bigorange#1 @ Dec 18 said:
I guess brady has choked 5 times this year!
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Not at all, and let me lay this out for you very clearly so that you can pick up on it. NFL players play to win the Super Bowl. The steps one must make to get to that pinnacle are first: securing a spot in the playoffs, second: winning the first round of the playoffs, third: winning the divisional playoff game, fourth: winning the conference championship, and finally: winning the Super Bowl. Being Super Bowl champions guarantees the teams place in history. Once the Colts had secured a playoff spot, they were then playing to get a bye (i.e. trading wins in the regular season for a win in the postseason,) yet there is not a lot of pressure in those games because they really don't mean a whole lot (you don't need a bye to win the super bowl.) Same with home field advantage. Yet, once they had secured home field advantage, all the steps to make their postseason quest easier had been accomplished. They were now playing for something else. In week 14 they were playing to be considered the best team ever, to be remembered in the annals of NFL history as such. Playing for the playoffs is not playing to be the best team ever, its playing to be one of the best 12 teams that season. Playing for the bye week, playing to be one of the best 4 teams. Homefield, 2 teams. Manning can't win a game in which the greater significance of the game is deciding that his team is the best (ever, that year, etc,) that was his problem with Florida, Nebraska, and that was his problem today against San Diego. Peyton Manning is one of the least clutch athletes I have ever watched.
 
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(Jmxvol @ Dec 18 said:
So you base your opinion that they won't make the Super Bowl on the fact that Peyton had an intentional grounding penalty today?
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No, I base it on 10 years experience of watching Peyton Manning play football.
 
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Which argument is actually valid SOJ. You say Peyton chokes when the Colts don't go undefeated, even though history says that only happens once in the history of the NFL.

You say that history says CPF didn't choke this season or in previous seasons because history says the Vols should only win the NC once every 30 years. This seams quite inconsistently argued to the naked eye.
 
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(jwells @ Dec 18 said:
I think you are confusing Peyton with the Colts O-Line. If they'd given him ANY protection in the 4th, the colts would have won. It's hard to mount a good drive when you've been knocked down 5-6 consecutive plays. Where he was, and where the penalty ended up weren't really far apart. Turned a 3rd and 16-17 into a 3rd and 20. Then, when they are making a drive for the endzone, his receiver misses the catch, it gets deflected, then intercepted.

This was the worst I'd ever seen the Colt's O-Line this year. They were completely manhandled and made STUPID blocks. Don't double team a DE when you've got a LB blitzing the inside.
Give Manning a couple seconds, he'll throw you some TD's. Leave a bunch of holes, it's hard to have time to find a receiver.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, how about when they did get stopped, and punted. The Punter put it on the 1, but the coverage guy didn't evne get close to the ball. He didn't do his job, and gave it to them on the 20. Then, the Colts D allows an 84 yard TD run, after already burning one time out.

Who choked? Peyton came back to get ahead, and the D gave up MORE points to a backup Rb who made them look stupid.
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Manning, who besides being the QB is also pretty much the playcaller, led his team on 1 real TD drive. The other two Colts scoring drives the offense took over inside the 30 yard line...thanks to that defense you are bashing.
 
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I am not going to sit here and say he has never choked, but this is not one of them. When there is no offensive line help, no offense to the san diego front seven, and your all world running back runs for an astounding 25 yards on 13 carries, 13 of those yards on one carry. You really can't expect great things, despite the 338 passing yards and the 1 TD.
 
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(Lexvol @ Dec 18 said:
Which argument is actually valid SOJ. You say Peyton chokes when the Colts don't go undefeated, even though history says that only happens once in the history of the NFL.

You say that history says CPF didn't choke this season or in previous seasons because history says the Vols should only win the NC once every 30 years. This seams quite inconsistently argued to the naked eye.
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No, I said Peyton always chokes. He does. Fulmer has his championship (with basically the same 1997 team, minus Peyton.) Peyton doesn't have to win the super bowl or go undefeated, but the fact is, when given the opportunity to do so, he will inevitably blow it.
 
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(vol731 @ Dec 18 said:
I am not going to sit here and say he has never choked, but this is not one of them. When there is no offensive line help, no offense to the san diego front seven, and your all world running back runs for an astounding 25 yards on 13 carries, 13 of those yards on one carry. You really can't expect great things, despite the 338 passing yards and the 1 TD.
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Come on...that 338 only means they abandoned the running game. Manning (a 65% passer) completed 57% of his passes, threw 2 INTs, and his scoring drives were for 56, 26, and 4 yards. Also, San Diego's defense is not anything compared to the defenses Peyton has faced previously (their DBs didn't even have an INT between them until this game...2.) All Manning had to do was avoid a sack and keep from getting a penalty in order for the Colts to stay in FG position and eventually take a 20-19 lead with under 2:30 left. Manning took a sack and got a penalty, and he is the one who is usually so stellar at checking out of plays when the blitz is coming.
 
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(Rocky Top @ Dec 18 said:
Can we vote this as the stupidest thread in the history of Vol Nation??
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Would you put any amount of money on the Colts winning the Super Bowl, or even getting there??? If I was a die hard Colts fan, I wouldn't. Manning has to prove he can win the big game, and he is going to have a tough time doing so.
 
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And when Peyton DOES win the Super Bowl you'll say it was because of thier defense or something else right??? Let me guess, your a Bama & Patroits fan?
 
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(Rocky Top @ Dec 18 said:
And when Peyton DOES win the Super Bowl you'll say it was because of thier defense or something else right??? Let me guess, your a Bama & Patroits fan?
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No, I am a die hard UT Vols fan. Born in TN, schooled at UTK. I however would like to view things with a level of skepticism and realism that most of the posters on this board seem not to apply to their beloved UT. Apparently, these people believe that UT is solid gold and therefore that its golden boy (Manning) is absolutely flawless.
 
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