Have a feeling this is going to rustle some feathers...

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#26
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Superbowl is the most important. Oh yea, Rhodes fumbled a kick off today. James had 13 yards rushing. You have to be a complete jackass to blame all this on one player. Is this a Vol board or a Vol cut down board.
 
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The real problem isn't Peyton, it's the Colts. They just aren't really that good as a whole. They have improved this year, but it's still the big 3 (Peyton, Marvin, Edge) that have to carry the team. The rest of the team can't complement Peyton when he struggles and thus, they pretty much always lose when Peyton has a bad game.

However, they often still lose even when Peyton has a great game. Last year, Peyton threw 5 TDs against the Chiefs, but the defense couldn't stop Priest Holmes or Trent Green, so the Colts lost anyway. It just shows that you can't blame all the losses on Peyton. I'd even say Peyton had a pretty impressive game today. He was met by an uncontested blitzer on almost every play in the second half, yet still threw for 338. If you want to blame someone on the offense, blame the O-Line, or Edge. Less than 30 yards rushing isn't going to cut it against a good team like the Chargers, no matter how good the passing game is.

If you put any other QB leading this Colts team, they would not have a winning record this year. With Peyton, they've only lost one game. And who knows what would have happened had Stokely caught that pass rather than batting it up for an INT?
 
#28
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I have never ever heard this guy say anything positive about tennessee... i just ignore him..
 
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Edgerrin James - 13 carries for 25 yards. Is that choking or is it exactly what was earlier suggested, failure of the O-line? Indy, like nearly every team, is much more dangerous when the run game is working. When teams stuff Edgerrin, play action isn't as effective and is a huge part of the Colst passing game.
 
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Yep, Peyton really choked in the SEC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.

The only people who want to say he choked in the big games are Florida fans, because they think that was the only big game he ever played in.
 
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(volinasheville @ Dec 18 said:
Edgerrin James - 13 carries for 25 yards. Is that choking or is it exactly what was earlier suggested, failure of the O-line? Indy, like nearly every team, is much more dangerous when the run game is working. When teams stuff Edgerrin, play action isn't as effective and is a huge part of the Colst passing game.
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ah no thats all peytons fault remember, if peyton didnt choke edge would have did just so much better. how can you blame the o-line?????? (btw this is hard sarcasim)
 
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(kptvol @ Dec 18 said:
The real problem isn't Peyton, it's the Colts. They just aren't really that good as a whole. They have improved this year, but it's still the big 3 (Peyton, Marvin, Edge) that have to carry the team. The rest of the team can't complement Peyton when he struggles and thus, they pretty much always lose when Peyton has a bad game.

However, they often still lose even when Peyton has a great game. Last year, Peyton threw 5 TDs against the Chiefs, but the defense couldn't stop Priest Holmes or Trent Green, so the Colts lost anyway. It just shows that you can't blame all the losses on Peyton. I'd even say Peyton had a pretty impressive game today. He was met by an uncontested blitzer on almost every play in the second half, yet still threw for 338. If you want to blame someone on the offense, blame the O-Line, or Edge. Less than 30 yards rushing isn't going to cut it against a good team like the Chargers, no matter how good the passing game is.

If you put any other QB leading this Colts team, they would not have a winning record this year. With Peyton, they've only lost one game. And who knows what would have happened had Stokely caught that pass rather than batting it up for an INT?
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The reason Edge only had 25 yards rushing is because the Chargers stacked the box against Peyton, and made him try to beat them. Throwing the ball 50 times and accumulating 300+ yards of passing is not all that impressive, especially compared to what Peyton has done in past games. This game would not have been close had it not been for the Colts defense (and their offense forcing a fumble after a Peyton INT.) That same Chargers defense is ranked 27th against the pass (out of 32!) and gave up 28 points to Dallas, 24 to Pittsburg, 20 to Philadelphia, and 26 to the Jets. The Peyton led juggernaut Colts offense wouldn't have even put up 10 if it wasn't for scoring drives of 26 yards and 4 yards.
 
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The defense gave up a 80 yard run, a third and long, late in the game. I think it might help to lose one anyways. What team do you pull for Coach.
 
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(utfantilidie @ Dec 18 said:
The defense gave up a 80 yard run, a third and long, late in the game. I think it might help to lose one anyways. What team do you pull for Coach.
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They were down 19-17 with under 1:30 when that run occured.
 
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WOW! my eyes must be going bad since john is implying Manning is the only player on the field. I could have sworn there was 21 other players on the field
 
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He is a bandwagon jumper,For your information Peyton has won plenty of big games in his day!

Alabama 3 Times
Auburn sec championship
Ohio st ranked #4
Northwestern co big10 champs
Virgina Tech
Georgia 3 times
Ucla 2 times
39-6 as starter

I guess none of these qualify as big games seeing as how peyton won them!
 
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(sonofajohn @ Dec 18 said:
They were down 19-17 with under 1:30 when that run occured.
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OK.OK.Now tell me What team do you pull for or are you too ashamed to say?
 
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(Vol67 @ Dec 18 said:
WOW! my eyes must be going bad since john is implying Manning is the only player on the field. I could have sworn there was 21 other players on the field
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In other threads there are people stating that Manning should be MVP because of the Colts season. There are 21 other players on the field when the Colts win too! Last year, the Colts defense was cited as the reason they couldn't get to the Super Bowl. Today, the Colts defense held Brees to 250 yards passing, forced 2 turnovers, held LT to 76 yards on 24 carries, and gave the Colts offense the ball at the SD 30, the SD 26, and the SD 4 yardline...the Colts only managed to get 14 points out of that great field position! As long as their is an MVP award while 21 other players are on the field (might as well make it 32 for special teams,) then a player can be singled out for underperforming or choking.
 
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:( The colts will win more games and do well in the playoffs. Lose one game and blame Manning. I cannot remember any great quaterback that won all the games they played in. Does that mean they chocked when they lost. 13 and 1 and he chokes give me a break.
 
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(kptvol @ Dec 18 said:
The real problem isn't Peyton, it's the Colts. They just aren't really that good as a whole. They have improved this year, but it's still the big 3 (Peyton, Marvin, Edge) that have to carry the team. The rest of the team can't complement Peyton when he struggles and thus, they pretty much always lose when Peyton has a bad game.

However, they often still lose even when Peyton has a great game. Last year, Peyton threw 5 TDs against the Chiefs, but the defense couldn't stop Priest Holmes or Trent Green, so the Colts lost anyway. It just shows that you can't blame all the losses on Peyton. I'd even say Peyton had a pretty impressive game today. He was met by an uncontested blitzer on almost every play in the second half, yet still threw for 338. If you want to blame someone on the offense, blame the O-Line, or Edge. Less than 30 yards rushing isn't going to cut it against a good team like the Chargers, no matter how good the passing game is.

If you put any other QB leading this Colts team, they would not have a winning record this year. With Peyton, they've only lost one game. And who knows what would have happened had Stokely caught that pass rather than batting it up for an INT?
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So now all the anti- Colts fans have enough of a boring life they're not only trolling the Colts boards but the Vols too. It's pretty easy to trash a guy that is 13-1... what losers!
 
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(bigorange#1 @ Dec 18 said:
He is a bandwagon jumper,For your information Peyton has won plenty of big games in his day!

Alabama 3 Times
Auburn sec championship
Ohio st ranked #4
Northwestern co big10 champs
Virgina Tech
Georgia 3 times
Ucla 2 times
39-6 as starter

I guess none of these qualify as big games seeing as how peyton won them!
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None of those games had any implications of being the best in the sport. The UT-Florida games between 94-97 always had National Championship implications. In the 1997 SEC Championship Game, Manning threw for 350+, true, but turned the ball over 3 times (2 INTs, 1 fumble.) The fumble was returned for a TD. Our defense allowed less than 300 total yards of offense, and we won late because Marcus Nash took a 5 yard Manning pass and made an incredible open field move, then raced 75 yards for the TD. A game we should have won by at least 2 TDs we barely won due to turnovers.
 
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If we just stop replying to this obvious flamer and troll, he'll go back to his Bama or Detroit Lions board.
 
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(sonofajohn @ Dec 18 said:
No, I said Peyton always chokes. He does. Fulmer has his championship (with basically the same 1997 team, minus Peyton.) Peyton doesn't have to win the super bowl or go undefeated, but the fact is, when given the opportunity to do so, he will inevitably blow it.
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But history says that is nearly impossible to go undefeated. Surely, hif history is the measuring stick, one loss does not make this team 13-3 as you previously suggested.
 
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(Lexvol @ Dec 18 said:
But history says that is nearly impossible to go undefeated. Surely, hif history is the measuring stick, one loss does not make this team 13-3 as you previously suggested.
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No. But do you honestly believe that the Sorgi led Colts are going to win the next two games? That is with Edge, Harrison, Wayne, Freeney, etc. watching from the sidelines? They almost lost 2 linemen in today's game...
 
#47
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let the man have his point taken seriously. peyton has been a choker. YES.

i know we all love him but lets swallow some of our pride.


and wait until he wins the super bowl. then son can come in here and kiss us all a big kiss on the ass.


the colts could have won today but they are just playing around. the super bowl is whats important. not undefeated.
 
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(checkerboard_charly @ Dec 18 said:
let the man have his point taken seriously. peyton has been a choker. YES.

i know we all love him but lets swallow some of our pride.
and wait until he wins the super bowl. then son can come in here and kiss us all a big kiss on the ass.
the colts could have won today but they are just playing around. the super bowl is whats important. not undefeated.
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If Manning wins the Super Bowl, then I will eat crow and admit I was wrong about him. I did it on the UT-Texas basketball thread immediately.
 
#49
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While I will admit Peyton was a little off today, I don't see how you can put the entire blame for this loss on him. He was under constant pressure and the receivers weren't as sure handed as they usually are and there was absolutely no running game. I know the Colts were playing for the history books, but the Chargers were playing for their playoff lives and they just seemed to want this game more than the Colts, in the 1st half anyway. I know Peyton will have this label of choker on him until he wins the SuperBowl, which will probaly happen this year. What Peyton did today was not choking, if you want the textbook definition of choking in a football game look no further than McNabb in last years SuperBowl.
 
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(sonofajohn @ Dec 18 said:
Down 19-17, 2nd down. In range to kick a 35-38 yard field goal, Manning gets flagged for the most obvious intentional grounding I have ever seen, knocks the Colts out of FG range. This one choke job will result in a 13-3 record for the Colts, and they will lose in their first or second playoff games (they won't even make it to the Super Bowl.)
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You evidently saw the game. I suppose you could make the play laying on your back. Or perhaps you thought the lineman played as well as they could. And by all means lets say that the defense put forth one of their finer efforts. Evidently you don't know football or you have something against one of the best Qbs to ever play. Perhaps also you thought he was deserving of the Heisman. You problably thought that dweeb deserved it. :twocents:
 
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