Have Bama fans always been this clueless?

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Im a "newer" fan, with my first year of following them being '96 and my first year of school there in 2000. That said, I have a question to our more experienced vol fans...have Bama fans always been this clueless???

I try to look at them as unbiased as possible. Sure, I hate them, but only because Im supposed to, being a UT fan. I dont have the hatred for them that most programs seem to have (tigerdroppings and the wvu site has some hilarious threads just ripping Alabama). Ive been to a decent amount of road games and I can say that Bammers treated me the nicest out of any team I saw play UT (uga was the worst). I wasnt around when they used to beat us all the time. Being as unbiased as possible, I see...

1. A program that thinks its much better then it is
2. A program stuck living off the past (it amazes me when I look at tidefans how many people have a bear quote in their sig)
3. A program that has turned itself into a joke with 4 coaches in four years
4. A program that is losing the instate battle to an inferior program in Auburn (well, not inferior anymore)
5. A program that has slid into 3rd in the West, and probably 4th for the near future

But when I look at Tidefans, Im just blown away by the amount of blind homers on there. I know every team has their fair share of homers (we know who they are here), but its just ridiculous. I see threads about how biased and awful the media is for blasting them...because the entire national media is wrong and theyre right. They dont understand why coaches dont want to go there. They think it is their birthright to always beat Tennessee and Auburn. They dont see how poorly the college football world views them. They think going through 4 coaches in 4 years is ok considering the circumstances...when I dont think any circumstance could justify it.

Basically, I see a fan base completely out of touch with reality. Has it always been like this with them?
 
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TravisHenryCBlockedMe said:
Im a "newer" fan, with my first year of following them being '96 and my first year of school there in 2000. That said, I have a question to our more experienced vol fans...have Bama fans always been this clueless???

I try to look at them as unbiased as possible. Sure, I hate them, but only because Im supposed to, being a UT fan. I dont have the hatred for them that most programs seem to have (tigerdroppings and the wvu site has some hilarious threads just ripping Alabama). Ive been to a decent amount of road games and I can say that Bammers treated me the nicest out of any team I saw play UT (uga was the worst). I wasnt around when they used to beat us all the time. Being as unbiased as possible, I see...

1. A program that thinks its much better then it is
2. A program stuck living off the past (it amazes me when I look at tidefans how many people have a bear quote in their sig)
3. A program that has turned itself into a joke with 4 coaches in four years
4. A program that is losing the instate battle to an inferior program in Auburn (well, not inferior anymore)
5. A program that has slid into 3rd in the West, and probably 4th for the near future

But when I look at Tidefans, Im just blown away by the amount of blind homers on there. I know every team has their fair share of homers (we know who they are here), but its just ridiculous. I see threads about how biased and awful the media is for blasting them...because the entire national media is wrong and theyre right. They dont understand why coaches dont want to go there. They think it is their birthright to always beat Tennessee and Auburn. They dont see how poorly the college football world views them. They think going through 4 coaches in 4 years is ok considering the circumstances...when I dont think any circumstance could justify it.

Basically, I see a fan base completely out of touch with reality. Has it always been like this with them?
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I think you're observations could pretty much be cut and pasted to describe any BCS program in the country, just with some detail changes.
 
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TravisHenryCBlockedMe said:
Im a "newer" fan, with my first year of following them being '96 and my first year of school there in 2000. That said, I have a question to our more experienced vol fans...have Bama fans always been this clueless???

I try to look at them as unbiased as possible. Sure, I hate them, but only because Im supposed to, being a UT fan. I dont have the hatred for them that most programs seem to have (tigerdroppings and the wvu site has some hilarious threads just ripping Alabama). Ive been to a decent amount of road games and I can say that Bammers treated me the nicest out of any team I saw play UT (uga was the worst). I wasnt around when they used to beat us all the time. Being as unbiased as possible, I see...

1. A program that thinks its much better then it is
2. A program stuck living off the past (it amazes me when I look at tidefans how many people have a bear quote in their sig)
3. A program that has turned itself into a joke with 4 coaches in four years
4. A program that is losing the instate battle to an inferior program in Auburn (well, not inferior anymore)
5. A program that has slid into 3rd in the West, and probably 4th for the near future

But when I look at Tidefans, Im just blown away by the amount of blind homers on there. I know every team has their fair share of homers (we know who they are here), but its just ridiculous. I see threads about how biased and awful the media is for blasting them...because the entire national media is wrong and theyre right. They dont understand why coaches dont want to go there. They think it is their birthright to always beat Tennessee and Auburn. They dont see how poorly the college football world views them. They think going through 4 coaches in 4 years is ok considering the circumstances...when I dont think any circumstance could justify it.

Basically, I see a fan base completely out of touch with reality. Has it always been like this with them?
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I wasnt around when they used to beat us all the time. A lot of people wasn't around than !!!!!:yu:
 
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Here is the deal. I have lived in this state for about thirty years. Grew up here, went to school here all that noise. I was never the Bammer. My family was, but I have always swam upstream. At an early age I started going to Auburn games. Had a blast, enjoyed the Community Atmosphere. When I got older I was sick and tired of everyone telling me I had to be for bammer or Auburn. So I looked around and found the farthest thing from the two, a school that had tradition, pride, and a history that was more than just one man. That is right I said it he was a man, a mortal, flesh and blood.

Bammers think they are the best because they are bammer. That is all. That is what they were raised to believe. They are taught that you pull for bammer no matter what. If you try to get an explanation as to why they are the best, you will hear "Because we are bammer! 12 championships what else do you need?" They do honestly think that there is none any better. Listening to all the goings on with Rodriguez, if i have heard it once I have heard it every other call on the radio, they think they have the best facilities, the best history, and the best traditions of any school in the nation. I have been to many games in bammer, and I can't tell you one tradition they have. All the pagentry that we look forward to on gameday, they go to the BEAR museum. Facilities?? Up until the last 10-15 years they didn't even play on their own campus. They played at Legion Field. Anyone remember how NICE that place was? How did you feel parking your car and walking into the game? Proud? In awe of the facilities??

So to answer you ....Yes the are that clueless:good!:
 
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No, he's right. I know my college football fan bases and none are more dilusional than Alabama's. It's really a matter of knowing where you are...

Sure, there are those of us who believe the Vols are still top-flight, the best of the best, but from what I have seen, many Vols fans accept that Tennessee has been a usual 15-25 type program since the national championship, getting respect for being decent, but not great. It doesn't mean we don't aspire to being great, but we at least know our place in the world of college football.

Alabama, on the other hand, has a fanbase that is enormously dilusional when it comes to their ranks on the national scene. Not only that, but they don't even have the slightest clue that its their own fault, because they line up to throw their coach into the fire pit the second they lose to Tennessee or Auburn.

As long as it's the case, Alabama is resigned to mediocrity. As long as Fulmer and Cutcliffe remain in Knoxville, and Tuberville remains in Auburn, Alabama's football program will continue to be miles behind, resigned to dwell in a state of mediocrity.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I think you're observations could pretty much be cut and pasted to describe any BCS program in the country, just with some detail changes.
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I disagree. This, to me, is the downside of SEC football. Crazy, hardcore fan bases who expect way too much too early out of their coaches. Fan bases and boosters of most Pac-10, Big Ten and Big XII programs are apathetic enough to actually give new coaches a decent shot at building a program. In the SEC, a coaches a** is on the hotseat the second something goes a little awry.
 
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TravisHenryCBlockedMe said:
They think it is their birthright to always beat Tennessee and Auburn.
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That's the word, and that's what differentiates them from other teams' fans. They feel entitled to be the best team in the SEC just by suiting up on Saturdays, and that an injustice is being inflicted on them when they're not. They're kind of like a guy who used to be rich but has gone broke; his credit card has been declined and he's being dragged out of the bar, yelling "But don't you know who I am?? I practically own this place!" the whole way.
 
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milohimself said:
I disagree. This, to me, is the downside of SEC football. Crazy, hardcore fan bases who expect way too much too early out of their coaches. Fan bases and boosters of most Pac-10, Big Ten and Big XII programs are apathetic enough to actually give new coaches a decent shot at building a program. In the SEC, a coaches a** is on the hotseat the second something goes a little awry.
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I think that is a very good point. A lot of times 'down here' we are quick to hang a guy if he doesn't produce in a hurry. But having lived here pretty much all my life, gone to school here (Troy by the way-lol) I have observed the clueless-ness of the bammer faithful. I have walked through their 'great facilities'.....and UT's.......and Texas's.......and some big Div. 1-AA programs (appy state, south florida, middle tn st,) and I am sorry, bama's is 'run of the mill', what one should expect type stuff. Texas's is nice and ours is obviously. The one at Troy is as nice as anybody's. Any way, you get my point....yea they're that delusional.
 
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AlabamaVolunteer said:
Here is the deal. I have lived in this state for about thirty years. Grew up here, went to school here all that noise. I was never the Bammer. My family was, but I have always swam upstream. At an early age I started going to Auburn games. Had a blast, enjoyed the Community Atmosphere. When I got older I was sick and tired of everyone telling me I had to be for bammer or Auburn. So I looked around and found the farthest thing from the two, a school that had tradition, pride, and a history that was more than just one man. That is right I said it he was a man, a mortal, flesh and blood.

Bammers think they are the best because they are bammer. That is all. That is what they were raised to believe. They are taught that you pull for bammer no matter what. If you try to get an explanation as to why they are the best, you will hear "Because we are bammer! 12 championships what else do you need?" They do honestly think that there is none any better. Listening to all the goings on with Rodriguez, if i have heard it once I have heard it every other call on the radio, they think they have the best facilities, the best history, and the best traditions of any school in the nation. I have been to many games in bammer, and I can't tell you one tradition they have. All the pagentry that we look forward to on gameday, they go to the BEAR museum. Facilities?? Up until the last 10-15 years they didn't even play on their own campus. They played at Legion Field. Anyone remember how NICE that place was? How did you feel parking your car and walking into the game? Proud? In awe of the facilities??

So to answer you ....Yes the are that clueless:good!:
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Story is just like except im only in my early 20's lol....I still remember my first UT game in Auburn in 98......Jamal Lewis ran for a 65 or 67 yard TD run on a torn ACL!!!!
 
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Castnet orange said:
I wasnt around when they used to beat us all the time. A lot of people wasn't around than !!!!!:yu:
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than what????
BigPapaVol said:
I think you're observations could pretty much be cut and pasted to describe any BCS program in the country, just with some detail changes.
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there's only a handful of programs around that have the same delusions as Bama...

i've been watching TN football for the better part of 25 years, and grew up during losing streak of the 80's in to the 90's. When Bama was still relevent in the SEC and the nation.

these days, they just aren't. they have expectations like they do because of their past and you can't really fault them for that. but what gets me about Bama fans is this notion that it's their God given right to be this elite national program each and every year. Like something is wrong with the world and the starts aren't aligned right if they are some how not playing for SEC titles or NT's regularly.

based on what is actually capable of being acheived right now at bama vs. what is expected makes them the most delusional fan base in college football.

in 96, we beat Bama at home...and it was pretty cool. we got the win in the same fashion as Bama had gotten so many wins over us....an INT late in the game to prevent any shot at a comeback. SWEET.

as fans were leaving the stadium, you could hear these robust old Bama fans as they were filing on to their busses rumbling the phrase "We're still Alabama!". as if it were some badge of courage or something....my reply that statement was...."yeah, you are, and you STILL got beat...so what does it matter?". and that's the thing about Bama right now.......they don't matter anymore, they just don't know it.
 
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As a UT fans who has half his family still living in B'ham I get it all the time. When I was little I asked my dad if we ever beat bammer. Going through streaks like that makes it hard to feel any sympathy for them. I will say that most bammer fans (the ones at the games, not on message boards) are very knowledgable about football and CFB history (since history's all they have :))

I saw that someone said it is the same at every BCS school but it's not. Here's a post I saw at tidefans that sums it up.
With all of this stupid media chaos let us not forget that its OUR right as Alabama to win every game possible.
Were supposed to beat auburn.
Were supposed to beat tennessee.
And were supposed to win a national title.
Dont let anyone change our minds. Im sick of hearing and reading the negative crap.
Our tradition is what matters. Its what will always guarantee us a great coach. Its what has brought us here.
Lets stop feeling sorry for ourselves and start acting like-
ALABAMA!!!
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PS- Good job VinAZ for trying to hold your own over there. I think I lasted 10 posts.
 
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Ok I must admit I only read like 4 post, but what strikes me as funny is that you Vol fans can't seem to quit talking about us. :) You must have a crush!

Seriously though. I can understand talking about the coahing mess...lalalalalalala.....but I promise you we dont have a thread about the Vols on our front page at this point.

In all honesty, I think Bama is special. It gets a rise out of most fans, and they can't keep from talking about us. Hey it's better to be talked bad about than not talked about at all right? I dont see any threads about Montana St. here. Why? Well we know why dont we.

I will say this from a Bama fan point of view. We have had VERY tough times as of late, and for a good number of years now, but there is NO DOUBT in my mind that we will be back in the BCS mix before to long. UT may have a bad year every once in a while, and may go on a few year drought, but I would never expect the mighty Vols to stay down. Like any good football team, they may get knocked down, but they will get back up. And when they do somebody's going to get it!

I do have so much PRIDE as a Bama fan, as they way you do as a Vol fan. I am just like you, I just strap on Crimson on Saturday.

PLEASE understand this final point! We loved the Bear, and would love to see another coach do what he did, but it's not going to happen in this football day and age. That being said, it's not Bama fans that will not let him die, it's fans from other schools. We don't bring him up, you guys do. Trust me we Bama fans talk about this all the time. It's not us, it's other fans. Yes he was a legend at Bama and arounf the country. Yes we are proud of that just as you are about your beloved General, but he is gone. His memory lives on, but he is gone. It;s not Bama fans that wont let him die, its other fans that use it as a knock against Bama.

Please take what I have said to heart, and if this changes just one opinion then it was worth it.

Go Vols!
Roll Tide!

PS. We can fight again come next season. :)
 
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Roll Tide Rev said:
Ok I must admit I only read like 4 post, but what strikes me as funny is that you Vol fans can't seem to quit talking about us. :) You must have a crush!

Seriously though. I can understand talking about the coahing mess...lalalalalalala.....but I promise you we dont have a thread about the Vols on our front page at this point.

In all honesty, I think Bama is special. It gets a rise out of most fans, and they can' keep from talking about us. Hey it's better to be talked bad about than not talked about at all right? I dont see any threads about Montana St. here. Why? Well we know why dont we.

I will say this from a Bama fan point of view. We have had VERY tough times as of late, and for a good number of years now, but there is NO DOUBT in my mind that we will be back in the BCS mix before to long. UT may have a bad year every once in a while, and may go on a few year drought, but I would never expect the mighty Vols to stay down. Like any good football team, they may get knock down, but they will get back up. And when they do somebody's going to get it!

I do have so much PRIDE as a Bama fan, as they way you do as a Vol fan. I am just like you, I just strap on Crimson on Saturday.

PLEASE understand this final point! We loved the Bear, and would love to see another coach do what he did, but it's not going to happen in this football day and age. That being said, it's not Bama fans that will not let him die, it's fans from other schools. We don't bring him up, you guys do. Trust me we Bama fans talk about this all the time. It's not us, it's other fans. Yes he was a legend at Bama and arounf the country. Yes we are proud of that just as you are about your beloved General, but he is gone. His memory lives on, but he is gone. It;s not Bama fans that wont let him die, its other fans that use it as a knock against Bama.

Please take what I have said to heart, and if this changes just one opinion then it was worth it.

Go Vols!
Roll Tide!

PS. We can fight again come next season. :)
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it's not so much that his name is brought up all the time, it's that every season, game, coach has to live up to the expectations that were set by what he did. and when they fall short...it's deemed inexcusable. so it's not necessarily that it's compared direclty with him by name....it's the expectation level Bama has for itself based on what he accomplished. and that's why it's always brought up by other schools.
 
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I for one will always hate Alabama, but we need some positive stability in your program for the good of the SEC.
 
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In reply to Jake.

Says who? Just because we want to win?

If Fulmer was losing he would not stay around. Yes CMS was gone after four years, but the program was on decline. He was fired because he proposed not coaching staff change, just as Cutclif was at Ole Miss.
 
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Roll Tide Rev said:
Ok I must admit I only read like 4 post, but what strikes me as funny is that you Vol fans can't seem to quit talking about us. :) You must have a crush!

Seriously though. I can understand talking about the coahing mess...lalalalalalala.....but I promise you we dont have a thread about the Vols on our front page at this point.
:)
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Well there's no room for them with all the Nick Saban/Jon Gruden (seriously?)/Paul Johnson/Steve Kragthorpe/Steve Mariucci/etc. threads right now. However, during the season there are no fewer than 3-4 UT threads going at a time.

I read tidefans for the humor :birgits_giggle:
 
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Roll Tide Rev said:
Rex I agree, and I hate the Vols with an uttermost passion that boils deep down in the roots of my soul.
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At least we're tolerant of your opinions....last Bammer sites I've hit they have all gone into fetal position damage control banning anyone with the a post that not a glowing endorsement of all things Bama. The moderator actually pinned a sticky stating it on the last one I was checking out.:salute:
 
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i understand exactly where Rev is coming from. I still respect and fear Bama even in these down years they are having. Bama just wants to win. The same as most of us here do. We call for Fulmer's head because he's not bringing us SEC Championships or getting us into the BCS. That's what Bama wants. You can't fault them for that. I can see Bama getting the ship uprighted and quickly getting back into being one of "elite" programs. it just takes them finally finding a coach, which is becoming a completely other story.
 
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