Hayden Stone no longer a Vol, now a Dore

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BruinVol said:
Agreed but I don't think that's the case. Otherwise every middle class kid in the country could afford Vandy.
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True, but one of the requirements is being admitted to the University, which not every middle-class kid in the country is. That's how they, Harvard, Stanford and others get away with it. They make admission a condition.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
True, but one of the requirements is being admitted to the University, which not every middle-class kid in the country is. That's how they, Harvard, Stanford and others get away with it. They make admission a condition.
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Deer I would live to hear what the DS staff thinks of what is going on with this. I am hearing of kids going there and paying less than 10percent and not getting any baseball money. They also are very average students in middle income families. If this is correct Vandy truly is the most underachieving(and cheating because a regular middle class student with average grades isnt getting 45k of financial aid per year) program in the country!
 
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BruinVol said:
Deer I would live to hear what the DS staff thinks of what is going on with this. I am hearing of kids going there and paying less than 10percent and not getting any baseball money. They also are very average students in middle income families. If this is correct Vandy truly is the most underachieving(and cheating because a regular middle class student with average grades isnt getting 45k of financial aid per year) program in the country!
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I agree with you, but they're not the only ones that do it. Wake Forest does it, as I mentioned Harvard does it in every sport.

Baylor has built a softball powerhouse on need-based supplemental scholarships. Duke has done the same in men's and women's soccer and lacrosse. I know a track athlete from a wealthy family that went to Stanford with a 3.2 high school GPA and ended up not paying a dime because of need and merit-based scholarships on top of her 22% track scholarship.

Private schools found a loophole, and nearly every one in the NCAA is exploiting it.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
I agree with you, but they're not the only ones that do it. Wake Forest does it, as I mentioned Harvard does it in every sport.

Baylor has built a softball powerhouse on need-based supplemental scholarships. Duke has done the same in men's and women's soccer and lacrosse. I know a track athlete from a wealthy family that went to Stanford with a 3.2 high school GPA and ended up not paying a dime because of need and merit-based scholarships on top of her 22% track scholarship.

Private schools found a loophole, and nearly every one in the NCAA is exploiting it.
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It's a loophole without checks and balances apparently. The NCAA rule on need based money is pretty simple that it must be open and equal for all students. These schools should have to open up their books just like the rest of the schools have to with athletic scholarships.
 
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Middle class non athletes that get accepted are in the same boat. They don't pay much at all. It's obviously been approved by the NCAA if it has gone on this long.
 
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ThatGuy865 said:
Middle class non athletes that get accepted are in the same boat. They don't pay much at all. It's obviously been approved by the NCAA if it has gone on this long.
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No chance a middle class kid with a 3.0gpa and a low 20's act is paying less than 5k to go to vandy. I welcome anyone to Get on here and find one that isn't playing baseball.
 
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BruinVol said:
No chance a middle class kid with a 3.0gpa and a low 20's act is paying less than 5k to go to vandy. I welcome anyone to Get on here and find one that isn't playing baseball.
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Quit lettin' your hate make you stupid. You have no knowledge of these kids' grades or test scores, so what gives you the right to make (and publish) assumptions about them? I will never understand how people on these boards feel justified in spreading falsehoods about 17-19 year olds just because they don't want to attend UT. How 'bout cheering for what we got and leaving the others alone? Sad.
 
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BruinVol said:
No chance a middle class kid with a 3.0gpa and a low 20's act is paying less than 5k to go to vandy. I welcome anyone to Get on here and find one that isn't playing baseball.
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There are also all sorts of scholarships that are available, but are not publicized/promoted that much. Maybe he applied for one, wrote the essay, etc and earned it as well. Like the other guy said, you don't know the whole situation and are letting some anger/jealousy get the best of you.
 
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whobethis16 said:
There are also all sorts of scholarships that are available, but are not publicized/promoted that much. Maybe he applied for one, wrote the essay, etc and earned it as well. Like the other guy said, you don't know the whole situation and are letting some anger/jealousy get the best of you.
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Like I said I would like to know what the Tennessee staff thinks of this subject. I have been told by people close to kids that have gone to Vandy that fit the mold I have described that this indeed is happening. Once again if what I am told is true then the staff at Tenn should be willing to make a stand and put a stop to this. If they don't they will never win the state in recruiting. If my info is wrong then I apologize to all you closet Candy fans!
 
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BruinVol said:
Like I said I would like to know what the Tennessee staff thinks of this subject. I have been told by people close to kids that have gone to Vandy that fit the mold I have described that this indeed is happening. Once again if what I am told is true then the staff at Tenn should be willing to make a stand and put a stop to this. If they don't they will never win the state in recruiting. If my info is wrong then I apologize to all you closet Candy fans!
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No Candy fan (closet or not). Just the parent of a kid who went through recruitment a few years ago and was shocked at how nasty and small people (claiming to be "fans") can be. It was still a great experience, but less so than it could have been had others spoken only what they knew, rather than what they wanted to be true. You have every right to cheer for whoever, but each and every one of these kids has the right to do what they think is best without some idiot spreading lies about them.
 
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State of the Vols said:
No Candy fan (closet or not). Just the parent of a kid who went through recruitment a few years ago and was shocked at how nasty and small people (claiming to be "fans") can be. It was still a great experience, but less so than it could have been had others spoken only what they knew, rather than what they wanted to be true. You have every right to cheer for whoever, but each and every one of these kids has the right to do what they think is best without some idiot spreading lies about them.
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I haven't criticized any kid for taking advantage of this "loophole". More power to them. My criticism is with Vandy and their 25 scholarships!


Note: I haven't been talking specifically about Stone when discussing academic or financial standings. My info has been more about kids in the past that have ended up a Vandy.
 
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BruinVol said:
No chance a middle class kid with a 3.0gpa and a low 20's act is paying less than 5k to go to vandy. I welcome anyone to Get on here and find one that isn't playing baseball.
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Well, again, a middle-class kid with that GPA and ACT score isn't getting in to Vanderbilt or Stanford unless they're an athlete, so it's a moot point.

Because being admitted to the University is a condition of these "need-based" scholarships, it flies.

As far as what the staff thinks about it, they don't like it, but there's not a damn thing they can do about it, so there's no sense in them getting upset by it. The loophole isn't going away, the NCAA has specifically ruled it legal, so why should the coaches make a big deal about it? At best your staff would look like whiners, at worse it would point out to potential recruits that they should consider those schools.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Well, again, a middle-class kid with that GPA and ACT score isn't getting in to Vanderbilt or Stanford unless they're an athlete, so it's a moot point.

Because being admitted to the University is a condition of these "need-based" scholarships, it flies.

As far as what the staff thinks about it, they don't like it, but there's not a damn thing they can do about it, so there's no sense in them getting upset by it. The loophole isn't going away, the NCAA has specifically ruled it legal, so why should the coaches make a big deal about it? At best your staff would look like whiners, at worse it would point out to potential recruits that they should consider those schools.
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I understand what you are saying about other kids no being admitted and therefore there is nothing to compare. The NCAA set requirements for academic money to stop just this kind of thing with athletes getting more money than non years back. The solution here is for the NCAA to do the same. It would be simple to limit need based money based on federal efc numbers across the board not using admissibility.
 
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BruinVol said:
I understand what you are saying about other kids no being admitted and therefore there is nothing to compare. The NCAA set requirements for academic money to stop just this kind of thing with athletes getting more money than non years back. The solution here is for the NCAA to do the same. It would be simple to limit need based money based on federal efc numbers across the board not using admissibility.
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Whoa - are you telling me that in-state Vol baseball players no longer get the Hope scholarship money (assuming they are eligible) or that the coaching staff doesn't tell them about it? This is a great "tool" to keep kids in-state. Should the NCAA crack down on this in your eyes as well? If not, what's the difference?
 
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State of the Vols said:
Whoa - are you telling me that in-state Vol baseball players no longer get the Hope scholarship money (assuming they are eligible) or that the coaching staff doesn't tell them about it? This is a great "tool" to keep kids in-state. Should the NCAA crack down on this in your eyes as well? If not, what's the difference?
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Huge difference! Lottery has standards for all students at all schools within the state. This need based issue is only in play with Vandy within the state.
 
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BruinVol said:
Huge difference! Lottery has standards for all students at all schools within the state. This need based issue is only in play with Vandy within the state.
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UT offers all sorts of scholarships, ie the Volunteer scholarship for academics, that other schools don't offer. If they are eligible, and it is available to all students, what's the big deal?
 
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whobethis16 said:
UT offers all sorts of scholarships, ie the Volunteer scholarship for academics, that other schools don't offer. If they are eligible, and it is available to all students, what's the big deal?
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Nothing is wrong at all if it's available to all students and awarded accordingly. That's the whole issue.
 
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As a student who attends a school that does need based financial aid (and also played sports for two years) I can say that if you play sports for multiple years, you often will suddenly find more money in your account. As long as you keep decent grades they can pass it off as an academic scholarship, but most players (especially those of us from underprivileged areas) get a little extra considering the difficulty of the school on top of extra things.

Also, a kid with a 3.0 and low 20's ACT won't even get into UT anymore without connections, so to think they were getting into vandy without being an excellent athlete is rather insane.
 
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Why are we surprised by this? If I were a Middle Tennessee kid choosing between UT and Vandy, it would be Vandy 10/10 times. That may change here in a few years, but right now our program isn't strong enough to compete with Vandy in terms of in-state recruiting.
 
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Bruin you are right on the money (literally). These others are missing the point. The point is that Vandy is essentially working with 25 scholarships and Tennessee is working with 11.7. This is a fact. Anyone familiar with college baseball recruiting knows that the private D1's can tap into many different endowments that will provide more money for their players. I had a family member play at Rice when they won the national championship a few years ago..... 35% baseball scholarship to Texas plus academic $$$$ and he would have paid right at 8k a year to go to school... 25% baseball scholarship to Rice, academic $$$$$$, and some money from two different endowments and he paid $1500 a year to go to the best academic institution in the state of Texas. Vandy simply started doing the same thing that Rice did to become relevant in baseball.
 
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