health care mandate law ruled unconstitutional

#3
#3
it technically doesn't torpedo the entire plan.

this thing is going to the supreme court.
 
#5
#5
It was basically the backbone of the law.

For once I would like to see people stop *****ing about the ACA and propose something else that actually addresses the cost of healthcare.

It was not without its problems and, like every other piece of legislation that comes through the hill, it was completely butchered by the time it was passed, but I have yet to see anything else that at least makes a serious attempt at addressing the root causes of health care costs.
 
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milohimself said:
It was basically the backbone of the law.

For once I would like to see people stop *****ing about the ACA and propose something else that actually addresses the cost of healthcare.

It was not without its problems and, like every other piece of legislation that comes through the hill, it was completely butchered by the time it was passed, but I have yet to see anything else that at least makes a serious attempt at addressing the root causes of health care costs.
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how does this make even a lousy attempt at addressing the causes of health care costs? sometimes doing nothing is better. this is one of those times.
 
#7
#7
Okay.

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#8
#8
milohimself said:
It was basically the backbone of the law.

For once I would like to see people stop *****ing about the ACA and propose something else that actually addresses the cost of healthcare.

It was not without its problems and, like every other piece of legislation that comes through the hill, it was completely butchered by the time it was passed, but I have yet to see anything else that at least makes a serious attempt at addressing the root causes of health care costs.
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lots of things were proposed yet this piece of junk was rammed through (so we could find out what was in it). The result of that is not going to be fun for the WH
 
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#10
droski said:
relavance? adding millions of uninsured and making it easy for people to not pay until they are sick certainly isn't going to make that number not go up.
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I know you read my healthcare thread from a ways back, there's probably not anything I could say here that I didn't say there.
 
#11
#11
i remember the thread and it appeared to me most of your outrage came from your own situation. not that I 100% blame you that is.
 
#17
#17
It's funny. People want to drive costs down. So, let's use that as an excuse to pass a law that addresses none of the root causes of healthcare costs, but does cause government and private spending on healthcare to balloon in order to cover more people. You have a choice. Cover more people, or lower costs. Any non-market driven plan has to choose between those two choices. You can't have both.

Another thought. The Healthcare Industry (HI) is just that, an industry. It is one of our more profitable industries that has some of the best hiring current happening. In the middle of an economic beatdown, is it really a good time to attack one of our best industries? HI makes money. HI creates jobs. HI saves lives on top of it. How is any of that a bad thing?
 
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RespectTradition said:
It's funny. People want to drive costs down. So, let's use that as an excuse to pass a law that addresses none of the root causes of healthcare costs, but does cause government and private spending on healthcare to balloon in order to cover more people. You have a choice. Cover more people, or lower costs. Any non-market driven plan has to choose between those two choices. You can't have both.

Another thought. The Healthcare Industry (HI) is just that, an industry. It is one of our more profitable industries that has some of the best hiring current happening. In the middle of an economic beatdown, is it really a good time to attack one of our best industries? HI makes money. HI creates jobs. HI saves lives on top of it. How is any of that a bad thing?
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What do you consider as the root causes of healthcare costs? (Hint: malpractice ins. is a red herring used to justify TORT reform)

Who ultimately pays for an uninsured to get treatment in the ER?
 
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CSVol said:
What do you consider as the root causes of healthcare costs? (Hint: malpractice ins. is a red herring used to justify TORT reform)

Who ultimately pays for an uninsured to get treatment in the ER?
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The same people who pay for shrinkage in department stores and so on. It's always the paying customer.
 
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#21
milohimself said:
It was basically the backbone of the law.

For once I would like to see people stop *****ing about the ACA and propose something else that actually addresses the cost of healthcare.

It was not without its problems and, like every other piece of legislation that comes through the hill, it was completely butchered by the time it was passed, but I have yet to see anything else that at least makes a serious attempt at addressing the root causes of health care costs.
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I would like to know who authored this bill & their motivations/agendas, when even the people signing and endorsing it stated we have to pass it to see what is in it.
 
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CSVol said:
What do you consider as the root causes of healthcare costs? (Hint: malpractice ins. is a red herring used to justify TORT reform)

Who ultimately pays for an uninsured to get treatment in the ER?
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#23
#23
SCOTUS might use the ACA as an opportunity to unwind or at least clarify the Commerce Clause legislation that has evolved since the New Deal.
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#24
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dreVol said:
SCOTUS might use the ACA as an opportunity to unwind or at least clarify the Commerce Clause legislation that has evolved since the New Deal.
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One can only dream. If growing wheat for personal consumption can be a regulated economic activity, the reach of the Commerce Clause is essentially infinite.
 
#25
#25
America, the joke is on you. We already had socialized medicine. Government already accounted for 50% of all health care spending. No wonder it's so expensive.

Don't like education? That's socialized, too. Virtually every American pays into it, and 90% participate in public education. Even in the USSR they did not achieve 90% nationalization of agriculture.

It's strange how the perceived solution to these problems is more government.
 
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