Heisman House- Vote For Hooker and Hyatt!

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VFL-82-JP said:
Fellas, I appreciate the thought you're putting into this.

But sometimes, you think you're studying a chess match when in reality it is a beauty contest.

The CJ Stroud hype has a lot more to do with (a) where Stroud plays football and (b) where the media types live or call home, than it does with how Stroud compares to Hooker in the stat sheets.

It's just a fact of life. Any time people meet to decide something, to one extent or another they represent the tribes from which they come.

So you won't find the answers in those stats. You just won't.

Go Vols!
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I think the northern bias is a bygone era thing. Southern population centers have grown significantly, particularly Atlanta and Nashville.

The last Big 10 player to win the Heisman was Troy Smith in 2006. Since then, 8 SEC players have won the thing. 3 more were from southern states (Texas, Florida, and Kentucky). 3 others were from Oklahoma. Only one was from a northern state, and it was the Pacific Northwest at that (Mariota).
 
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Vol in Buckeye Land said:
I think the northern bias is a bygone era thing. Southern population centers have grown significantly, particularly Atlanta and Nashville.

The last Big 10 player to win the Heisman was Troy Smith in 2006. Since then, 8 SEC players have won the thing. 3 more were from southern states (Texas, Florida, and Kentucky). 3 others were from Oklahoma. Only one was from a northern state, and it was the Pacific Northwest at that (Mariota).
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Oh the potential bias is still there. It simply isn't always exercised.

One of the popular fictions of the Heisman is that previous winners make up a significant percentage of the voting population, or that votes shift with a changing American population. They don't. There are something like 900 voters. Only about 60 of them are Heisman winners. Less than one-tenth. 7%, something like that. You can actually ignore them and still understand perfectly well how the Heisman vote is going.

Most of the voters are sports media types. And the ballots are divvied out regionally, 145 to each of these six areas:

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Note that the Mid-Atlantic (ACC) and Northeast (ostensibly ACC, but usually aligns more B10) make natural allies of the Midwest (strongly B10) region. And those three regions have a bit of a "Rose Bowl mafia" friendship with the Far West (PAC) region. That's 4 of the 6 regions that can, from time to time, flex and ensure a B10-PAC-East Coast lad wins out.

This is precisely how Charles Woodson of Michigan won the vote over Peyton Manning about 25 years ago.

Another dimension: novelty-seeking is all the rage in Heisman voting these days. First defensive player ever. First freshman ever. First-ever two-time winner. That sort of thing.

The good news for us is, there's really nothing novel about this year's race. All the main candidates are QBs. None are freshmen. One is a previous winner, but that's been done lately, so not a factor this year. There may not be any concerted effort this year to influence the vote in a particular direction.

That still gives a B10-PAC player somewhat of an advantage over an SEC candidate (or B12 for that matter).

If Hendon is clearly the best choice, I think most media in all the regions will vote his way. But if it is close, if he and CJ Stroud are seen as very equally competitive for the award, I hate to say it, but the voting blocs used will work against our lad.

Anyway, that's just my view. Maybe a little more tinfoil hat than it needs to be. But there's definitely something to it.

Go Vols! Go Hendon!
 
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I can confirm opening your browser in "safe mode" or "incognito" will allow you to vote multiple times. I had to close it each time and re-open a new one and it allows me to vote again.

I knew volnation would remedy this situation. I also saw Myles Brennan is no longer on the list.

GO VOTE!
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Oh the potential bias is still there. It simply isn't always exercised.

One of the popular fictions of the Heisman is that previous winners make up a significant percentage of the voting population, or that votes shift with a changing American population. They don't. There are something like 900 voters. Only about 60 of them are Heisman winners. Less than one-tenth. 7%, something like that. You can actually ignore them and still understand perfectly well how the Heisman vote is going.

Most of the voters are sports media types. And the ballots are divvied out regionally, 145 to each of these six areas:

Heisman_Sections.jpg


Note that the Mid-Atlantic (ACC) and Northeast (ostensibly ACC, but usually aligns more B10) make natural allies of the Midwest (strongly B10) region. And those three regions have a bit of a "Rose Bowl mafia" friendship with the Far West (PAC) region. That's 4 of the 6 regions that can, from time to time, flex and ensure a B10-PAC-East Coast lad wins out.

This is precisely how Charles Woodson of Michigan won the vote over Peyton Manning about 25 years ago.

Another dimension: novelty-seeking is all the rage in Heisman voting these days. First defensive player ever. First freshman ever. First-ever two-time winner. That sort of thing.

The good news for us is, there's really nothing novel about this year's race. All the main candidates are QBs. None are freshmen. One is a previous winner, but that's been done lately, so not a factor this year. There may not be any concerted effort this year to influence the vote in a particular direction.

That still gives a B10-PAC player somewhat of an advantage over an SEC candidate (or B12 for that matter).

If Hendon is clearly the best choice, I think most media in all the regions will vote his way. But if it is close, if he and CJ Stroud are seen as very equally competitive for the award, I hate to say it, but the voting blocs used will work against our lad.

Anyway, that's just my view. Maybe a little more tinfoil hat than it needs to be. But there's definitely something to it.

Go Vols! Go Hendon!
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You are dead on regarding these Voting Blocks.
We have to hope that HH is a constant vote in the 1,2,3 positions in every region.
The more the full HH Story gets out to the other regions the more solid he becomes a true player worthy of the award. Covid, Heart, Age, Stats, Athlete's Book (Children), Arm Strength and Precision,
His Character and his ability to overcome adversity. All have been mentioned. The impact of the next 2 games will be significant.
 
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jbradley1382 said:
Looking at some of the non-Bryce, non-Stroud, non-Hooker guys on that list, makes me wonder how Jalin Hyatt isn't on it
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Yep, I am thinking that VolNation can certainly get JH on this list with our ability to move these types of polls. Anybody care to join in and move JH into the top 5?
 
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