here is a good article on hussein's foreign policy

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truefan said:
LOL......never said I had an crediblility, but there a plenty of fiscal conservatives that voted for Obama whether YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. that is a fact. And futhermore YOU have NO BUSINESS proclaiming who might be lying.I have seen some rather fishy stuff come out of your posts. On this subject like many, you talk like an expert but have no idea what you're talking about. I don't give a dam how many helicopter missions you flew and could care less you went the to West Point. You dont' know near as much as you big mouth proclaims

Now run along and get on with your delusional goal of playing the senior tour.There a literally thousands and thousands of guys better than you that aren't good enough, but they have some sense about it. LOL
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Would it not also be a fact that those fiscal conservatives who voted Obama now look like utter fools for believing he was anything close to a centrist?
 
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KB5252 said:
Would it not also be a fact that those fiscal conservatives who voted Obama now look like utter fools for believing he was anything close to a centrist?
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Yes, but I don't know if they look like utter fools. I am fiscal conservative and I can promise you I am a lot of things, but utter fool isn't one of them
 
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KB5252 said:
Would it not also be a fact that those fiscal conservatives who voted Obama now look like utter fools for believing he was anything close to a centrist?
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exactly. i did have some relatively fiscally conservative democratic friends who voted for obama arguing "he's just saying all this stuff to get elected." none of them still believe that though.
 
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truefan said:
Yes, but I don't know if they look like utter fools. I am fiscal conservative and I can promise you I am a lot of things, but utter fool isn't one of them
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I should not have inferred you to be a fool but I want to explore this a little further. Did you vote for Obama believing he would be much closer to a centrist president? If so, why did you feel that way?
 
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easily duped may be better than utter fool but I can see how they both would work
 
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KB5252 said:
I should not have inferred you to be a fool but I want to explore this a little further. Did you vote for Obama believing he would be much closer to a centrist president? If so, why did you feel that way?
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Usually, most candidiates move closer to the center when elected because it is usually the only way things will get done. Having a democratic congress hasn't helped him any at all, except with the far left. He would be much better off with a republican congress. The system always works better when you have opposing parties in the two branches because it leads to more reasonable compromises that work better for the public in general
 
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truefan said:
Usually, most candidiates move closer to the center when elected because it is usually the only way things will get done. Having a democratic congress hasn't helped him any at all, except with the far left. He would be much better off with a republican congress. The system always works better when you have opposing parties in the two branches because it leads to more reasonable compromises that work better for the public in general
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He never said or did anything that would have led anyone into believing he would govern as anything but the far left nut he is.
 
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truefan said:
Usually, most candidiates move closer to the center when elected because it is usually the only way things will get done. Having a democratic congress hasn't helped him any at all, except with the far left. He would be much better off with a republican congress. The system always works better when you have opposing parties in the two branches because it leads to more reasonable compromises that work better for the public in general
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Obama's history and associations should have made him unelectable. If Obama was a republican on the other end of the spectrum he would have been extremely far right with associations to criminal white separatists (who got off on technicalities).

Obama was able to deflect the shady dealings with so many people in part because of his race, and partly because the president before him was awful in many, many respects. His record in the brief time he served public office is virtually non- existent, in other words he was campaigning from day one.

You are correct that many politicians campaign on the hard line stances the party they represent wants to hear and often move to the center when elected. All his adult life Obama has been involved with subversive groups up until he sought office. Given his past I would find it hard to believe he would follow the norm concerning past presidents, you are surprised that Obama did not move to the center and I would have been very surprised if Obama had. You are correct that we need republican opposition to democrat presidents and vice versa.

I believe that republicans were in a much better position to observe Obama and decide what kind of president he would be for the simple reason that we saw how wrong we could be on many levels with Bush. The left was blinded for the opposition or outright hatred for Bush and bought into the idea that any change has to be for the better. They wanted to see a swing back to better leadership but they swung too hard and the pendulum ended up too far left.
 
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truefan said:
Usually, most candidiates move closer to the center when elected because it is usually the only way things will get done. Having a democratic congress hasn't helped him any at all, except with the far left. He would be much better off with a republican congress. The system always works better when you have opposing parties in the two branches because it leads to more reasonable compromises that work better for the public in general
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so you voted because you thought he was saying that stuff just to get elected but he would change and go moderate once in there? Then you admit the system works better when the WH/Congress are different parties yet you voted for a single party to have power? Amazing that you thought those 2 things would lead to anywhere near what you claim to believe in
 
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utvolpj said:
so you voted because you thought he was saying that stuff just to get elected but he would change and go moderate once in there? Then you admit the system works better when the WH/Congress are different parties yet you voted for a single party to have power? Amazing that you thought those 2 things would lead to anywhere near what you claim to believe in
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Nice twist of my post. Regardless of what YOU think, he had moderate stances on a number of things
 
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truefan said:
LOL......never said I had an crediblility, but there a plenty of fiscal conservatives that voted for Obama whether YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. that is a fact. And futhermore YOU have NO BUSINESS proclaiming who might be lying.I have seen some rather fishy stuff come out of your posts. On this subject like many, you talk like an expert but have no idea what you're talking about. I don't give a dam how many helicopter missions you flew and could care less you went the to West Point. You dont' know near as much as you big mouth proclaims

Now run along and get on with your delusional goal of playing the senior tour.There a literally thousands and thousands of guys better than you that aren't good enough, but they have some sense about it. LOL

As far as the credibility thing goes, I have it where it matters. Having it here isn't one of priorities like it is for you and HatVol
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Your jealousy is pathetic. Putting goals in my life is equally pathetic. My thinking about playing someday is hardly reflective of anything and I'm not the idiot trying to build credibility with the size of my greatness radius. That was your brainchild. This wasn't about my undergrad, grad school, military career or my anything. It was about your credibility. Telling me I have none isn't helping your case.

Stick to fantasy golf tales, as they show your best side. The condescending silliness about what a conservative believes doesn't work for you since it actually, miraculously, makes you look dumber.
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droski said:
apparently his "gut" told him there would be a republican congress.
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that's right, plus Obama showed every sign f classic centrism with his platform of bottom up economics, stimulus stupidity, immediate withdrawal of troops, closing Gitmo and federalized healthcare. Feels very fiscally conservative and hawkish just to repeat some of the stands. I'm shocked I didn't vote for him.
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truefan said:
Nice twist of my post. Regardless of what YOU think, he had moderate stances on a number of things
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there was nothing twisted since it's what you said. There was very little a true fiscal conservative would agree with in Obama's policies. I'm sure you have plenty of examples to counter the idea that he's spending like a college kid with his first credit card
 
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utvolpj said:
there was nothing twisted since it's what you said. There was very little a true fiscal conservative would agree with in Obama's policies. I'm sure you have plenty of examples to counter the idea that he's spending like a college kid with his first credit card
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My issue is that the guy told us he was megaliberal, but nobody believed he would be as liberal as he was portraying.
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BigPapaVol said:
My issue is that the guy told us he was megaliberal, but nobody believed he would be as liberal as he was portraying.
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Absolutley, it's unfortunate for the rest of us these morons did not listen to what he said and his prior actions.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
My issue is that the guy told us he was megaliberal, but nobody believed he would be as liberal as he was portraying.
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but taken at face value how could anyone that considers even a part of their beliefs to be conservative vote for him? I have more faith in American Idol voters than I do for people who vote in elections.

and I can respect someone who says they royally screwed up by giving him a vote. What I can't believe is there are still people claiming he has any interest in being conservative with our money
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Your jealousy is pathetic. Putting goals in my life is equally pathetic. My thinking about playing someday is hardly reflective of anything and I'm not the idiot trying to build credibility with the size of my greatness radius. That was your brainchild. This wasn't about my undergrad, grad school, military career or my anything. It was about your credibility. Telling me I have none isn't helping your case.

Stick to fantasy golf tales, as they show your best side. The condescending silliness about what a conservative believes doesn't work for you since it actually, miraculously, makes you look dumber.
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You're so FOS.

You keep bringing up the radius thing and explaining totally out of context. that's OK. It's lie the manner in which you speak of it, but whatever you say, Billy.

I told you I was fiscally conservative. You said BS. OK, whatever. I might have made a mistake voting for Obama but I am not mistaken by calling you a
blowhard. Sometimes people make mistakes at the voting booth. I know you never have made a mistake with your vote. LOL.... and you know every damn thing on this earth except you're stupid and IGNORANT enough to think you actually have a chance to play on the senior tour.

If you think I am trying to build credibility, your badly mistaken.

Oh by the way, you said you've played in the same amatuer events as me...when did you play in the US Amatuer? When did you play in the Western Amatuer? When did you play in the Spirit? When did you play in the US Mid Amatuer? I am talking about the national events too, not the local and regional qualifiers? Have I seen you at the MidPines National four-ball in February? I have seen you at the Oak Hill four ball?

LIke I said, you're FOS. You talk like you go everywhere and you said you would like to hook up for some golf some time. Well, lets do it. I am in my summer mode and only spend about 20 hours a week in the office. I can meet you anywhere within reasonble distance with one day's notice. Would love to play with you and see this senior tour game of yours.

Sign up for the Spirit. It's always on July 4th weekend in Decatur. It will give you a good barometer of how delusional you are about your game.
 
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truefan said:
You're so FOS.

You keep bringing up the radius thing and explaining totally out of context. that's OK. It's lie the manner in which you speak of it, but whatever you say, Billy.

I told you I was fiscally conservative. You said BS. OK, whatever. I might have made a mistake voting for Obama but I am not mistaken by calling you a
blowhard. Sometimes people make mistakes at the voting booth. I know you never have made a mistake with your vote. LOL.... and you know every damn thing on this earth except you're stupid and IGNORANT enough to think you actually have a chance to play on the senior tour.

If you think I am trying to build credibility, your badly mistaken.

Oh by the way, you said you've played in the same amatuer events as me...when did you play in the US Amatuer? When did you play in the Western Amatuer? When did you play in the Spirit? When did you play in the US Mid Amatuer? I am talking about the national events too, not the local and regional qualifiers? Have I seen you at the MidPines National four-ball in February? I have seen you at the Oak Hill four ball?

LIke I said, you're FOS
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You have no idea which amateur events I play in. None, nada zilch, but you might be surprised. Regardless, calling a guy like my stupid can't your case when you're already having to argue that you aren't a dumbass.

What i find impressive is the size to which your radius is growing, yet you're downplaying the fact that you made the comment. Humility abounds in your joint.

As to the offer, as fun as it sounds to play with a clown like you, no thanks. I'd rather play with Oprah.
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droski said:
interesting i thought you have decided you didn't make a mistake voting for him?
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for a while, I wasn't for sure. Now, I am about 75% confident he was a bad choice. If I had my choice again, I wouldn't vote. The other choice would have been as bad.

We haven 't been given good choices for POTUS the past few elections which is why it is surprising so many are ready to dismiss me for voting for Obama when they cast their vote for someone just as bad
 
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truefan said:
for a while, I wasn't for sure. Now, I am about 75% confident he was a bad choice. If I had my choice again, I wouldn't vote. The other choice would have been as bad.

We haven 't been given good choices for POTUS the past few elections which is why it is surprising so many are ready to dismiss me for voting for Obama when they cast their vote for someone just as bad
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i was no huge fan of mccain, but i can't for the life of me think what he would have done that would have been just as bad as obama.
 
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