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I am sure that some of you know my fondness for trying to objectively/numerically evaluate some of the debates that we have had on here.

Using similar evaluations to some of my previous posts (numbers I will explain later) here are the list of coaches who we should be giving a hard look at based on what they have done with their talent, historically. If you want proven winners here they are, let the debate begin*.

1) Petrino
2) Gundy
3) Dantonio
4) Franklin
5) Mullen
6) Whittingham

Obviously, I have left off guys like Miles, Saban, Spurrier and Chip Kelly. Let us assume for the sake of conversation that they are untouchable (or unaffordable). You should also notice a few names that are glaringly absent (Tommy T., & "Leave it to" Golden) and you will see why later.

Now, to dig into the numbers.

METHODOLOGY: I began with alphabetically listing all 122 current NCAA "Division 1" programs. I then used Rivals recruiting rankings for each team over the past 4 seasons to come up with a trailing recruiting average. This should be a good base line evaluation for the talent on the team. Yes, I know there are weaknesses in this evaluation and I would love to hear your input (and feel free to spend the hours that I invested in this to create your own-I promise, I won't be offended). Using this average I ranked each team based solely on their 2011 four year trailing average. I used the 2011 (including the 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008) classes because the season has been played, so we can evaluate the hypothesis based on factual events. Still with me? Using this ordered list I took each team and looked at their 12 game schedule. If team X played 5 teams that were ranked on this list higher than them, I predicted those as losses based on talent. If team X played 7 teams that were ranked lower them on this list, I predicted them as wins. So now, team X has a predicted record of 7-5 (based on talent). This number is compared to their actual 2011 record. Let's say that team X actually went 8-4. This means that team X won one more game than they were predicted so team X got a (+1). After I did this to roughly the top half of the teams, I got really tired and I also figured that I had hit most of the schools that would include coaches that we would be interested in. I then ranked these teams based on this predicted v. actual outcome coefficient and ranked the teams accordingly

RESULTS:see attached .pdf
What this spreadsheet shows are the teams who overperformed based on their latent talent. I am sure that you will not be surprised at the top coaches. Some of these are a bit of a misnomer however. Alabama, for instance, has recruited so well that they should always win every game. When Bama drops a game, they go to the minus 1 category and that looks worse than it is. It is also an indictment of Petrino (for instance) that his recruiting average is in the 30's, but that is offset by his pretty impressive performances on the field. Yes, Franklin made the list. Also if you look at his recruiting it is taking Vanderbilt to heights that they have never had. I dislike him, but he should get a strong look.

Well, what are your thoughts?

*I know that Gruden isn't on this list, but it is hard to evaluate his W/L % in the NCAA, for reasons that most of you can probably guess.
 

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All you need to know is Gruden is coming....you don't have to work on a post equivalent to a mathematical proof.
 
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All you need to know is Gruden is coming....you don't have to work on a post equivalent to a mathematical proof.

Even if there is a 99.9% chance that he is coming, there is still a chance that he isn't.

That being said, wouldn't it be nice to think that we (and our administration) are looking at options that would be acceptable?
 
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Nice work OP. I like it. I will boycott the University if they hire Petrino, but I like it.

You are probably like me, you would boycott him until he started beating UGA/UF/Bama and SCAR on the regular. There is no doubt that he could recruit much better at UT than Arky, and if he can do what he did with their talent...just imagine. Or not. lol
 
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Even if there is a 99.9% chance that he is coming, there is still a chance that he isn't.

That being said, wouldn't it be nice to think that we (and our administration) are looking at options that would be acceptable?

So long as one of those options doesn't include a coach who defrauded his previous state employer, then yeah, I'm good.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Petrino is a scumbag, and my opinion has very little to do with his extramarital shenanigans.
 
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So long as one of those options doesn't include a coach who defrauded his previous state employer, then yeah, I'm good.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Petrino is a scumbag, and my opinion has very little to do with his extramarital shenanigans.

I agree...

I am not saying that these guys should be hired. I am suggesting that these are probably the better coaches available who have a college record.
 
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Daj ~ lotta work goin on there and I can appreciate that. I'm not particularly mathematically inclined...where does Holgorsen at WVU fit in compared to say Franklin?
 
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2+2= Gruden...

all the math I care to do after leaving the bar,drinking a lil pie,
eating a bit at the house,and concluding the night on GRUDEN VIII...
 
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Daj ~ lotta work goin on there and I can appreciate that. I'm not particularly mathematically inclined...where does Holgorsen at WVU fit in compared to say Franklin?

WVU should have won 10 games last year in the Big East and won 9 (no evaluation for this year). WVU's 4 year trailing average for 2011 was 35.75 and is on a slight downward trend. Vandy should have won 3 games last year, won 6 and their recruiting average went from 73 to 58 in one year, with a bullet. With another top 25 class this year Vandy would be mid 40's. Basically, Vandy is about 3 years away at this rate from being top 12ish in recruiting which would put their talent equal to UT.

The verdict is still out on Franklin because his SEC victories have been over some really bad teams recently, but he is doing much more than previous Vandy squads and that is a fact.
 
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You are probably like me, you would boycott him until he started beating UGA/UF/Bama and SCAR on the regular. There is no doubt that he could recruit much better at UT than Arky, and if he can do what he did with their talent...just imagine. Or not. lol

My thoughts exactly...
 
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WVU should have won 10 games last year in the Big East and won 9 (no evaluation for this year). WVU's 4 year trailing average for 2011 was 35.75 and is on a slight downward trend. Vandy should have won 3 games last year, won 6 and their recruiting average went from 73 to 58 in one year, with a bullet. With another top 25 class this year Vandy would be mid 40's. Basically, Vandy is about 3 years away at this rate from being top 12ish in recruiting which would put their talent equal to UT.

The verdict is still out on Franklin because his SEC victories have been over some really bad teams recently, but he is doing much more than previous Vandy squads and that is a fact.

So...go over again how you project how many wins a team should have? Because, if Vandy was predicted to win 3 in 2011, they would be projected to lose every conference game with Ole Miss and UK on the schedule. I'm not criticizing, I just ain't all that bright.
 
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Just look at the numbered list of coaches and realize that there is a mathematical reason that they are listed like that. Then debate who/why. :)

I get it for sure and enjoyed looking at it from a different view! Peeling away the onion. My only concern with Petrino would be the recruiting angle. Hard to sit in a family's living room and discuss discipline, hard work, family atmosphere, etc with his recent personal issues. Gundy, Mullen, and Franklin have all over achieved in recruiting, development, and wins. I'd be fine with any and would learn to live with Petrino cause we'd be winning.
 

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