Heupel Deserves Better Than This

[BeardedVol]

Franklin turned down 8 million to come here.

White turned his attention to Josh Heupel because he was the safe choice.

I don’t think money was the issue during the hiring process.

I've seen no reputable source corroborate those numbers, or even whether Franklin was ever a serious candidate, and no, our vaunted "insiders" are not credible sources.

 

[bullet20]

OK. I'll bite. Try actually PROVING your point.

What coach has started out and shown no signs of being a championship caliber coach for the first 3 years... has been kept for years after that... and has become a championship caliber coach?

Prove that players keep listening to coaches who don't make some sort of significant mark in the first 3 years... it is hard enough to get them to listen when a guy does better than that.

I've only seen one guy who started that slow and went on to win any sort of championship- Beamer and that was a different era of football and unique situation.

Nick Saban was 6-5,6-6,7-5,6-6 his first 4 years at Mich.state

 

[butchna]

I've seen no reputable source corroborate those numbers, or even whether Franklin was ever a serious candidate, and no, our vaunted "insiders" are not credible sources.

Then you’ve carved out a safe narrative nook for yourself.

 

[BeardedVol]

Nick Saban was 6-5,6-6,7-5,6-6 his first 4 years at Mich.state

Context matters...
MICHIGAN ST. HIT WITH FOOTBALL SANCTIONS

In spite of NCAA sanctions, Saban never had a losing conference record at Michigan State.

 

[sjt18]

Nick Saban was 6-5,6-6,7-5,6-6 his first 4 years at Mich.state

He never won a championship at MSU IIRC. In fact, he was on a hot seat before his last year and then jumped as quick as he could.

I should have clarified "at that same school". I think there are a few more guys who improved with a change of venue. But that change of venue gave them a fresh start and the ability to blame whoever at the previous school.

 

[bullet20]

He never won a championship at MSU IIRC. In fact, he was on a hot seat before his last year and then jumped as quick as he could.

I should have clarified "at that same school". I think there are a few more guys who improved with a change of venue. But that change of venue gave them a fresh start and the ability to blame whoever at the previous school.

He never won a championship at MSU IIRC. In fact, he was on a hot seat before his last year and then jumped as quick as he could.

I should have clarified "at that same school". I think there are a few more guys who improved with a change of venue. But that change of venue gave them a fresh start and the ability to blame whoever at the previous school.

After I posted that I thought my comment might be a different scenerio than you were talking about.

 

[bullet20]

Context matters...
MICHIGAN ST. HIT WITH FOOTBALL SANCTIONS

In spite of NCAA sanctions, Saban never had a losing conference record at Michigan State.

Was just looking at his record from his first 4 years not what happened before he got there since the discussion was whether Hype should get more than 3 years even though the circumstances he inherited are to say the least challenging.

 

[sjt18]

Was just looking at his record from his first 4 years not what happened before he got there since the discussion was whether Hype should get more than 3 years even though the circumstances he inherited are to say the least challenging.

From a purely "fair" stand point... Heupel should get 5 or 6 years before people complain. Pragmatically... realistically... you can't give him that amount of time without seeing your roster decline.

Generally, new hires attract recruits. Jones was expert at selling a "vision". He lacked the coaching ability to get there... but he was a good salesman.

Recruiting is another "unfair" handicap for Heupel. He came in late and has not been able to visit recruits. He lost some of the better players from the class he inherited. But in the end... future recruits don't care. They want to play either for Saban or a guy they believe can challenge Saban. They don't want to play for a guy who loses 6 to 8 games per year for 3 years to start their tenure... regardless of the reasons.

 

[bullet20]

From a purely "fair" stand point... Heupel should get 5 or 6 years before people complain. Pragmatically... realistically... you can't give him that amount of time without seeing your roster decline.

Generally, new hires attract recruits. Jones was expert at selling a "vision". He lacked the coaching ability to get there... but he was a good salesman.

Recruiting is another "unfair" handicap for Heupel. He came in late and has not been able to visit recruits. He lost some of the better players from the class he inherited. But in the end... future recruits don't care. They want to play either for Saban or a guy they believe can challenge Saban. They don't want to play for a guy who loses 6 to 8 games per year for 3 years to start their tenure... regardless of the reasons.

I agree with you that nothing about fair or not will play in to Hypes tenure. Lets just hope even if alot of wins dont come in a hurry that we are competitive and exciting enough that enough blue chippers will decide to take a shot here to start the climb out of football purgatory

 

[jarhead]

No one ever said life is fair. That's why he's getting paid big money.

 

[sjt18]

I agree with you that nothing about fair or not will play in to Hypes tenure. Lets just hope even if alot of wins dont come in a hurry that we are competitive and exciting enough that enough blue chippers will decide to take a shot here to start the climb out of football purgatory

Thanks. That's my point. Success in these early years is kind of flexible to whatever it takes to keep recruits listening.

He has to have something to "sell" recruits.

 

[Southeastern VFL]

I will say this, if he can turn this program around with everything going on, then I believe we have found ourselves a coach. Coaches like challenges and the entire staff knew this is what they signed up for. Every coach knew the risk, what was at stake, and accepted the challenge when they signed the offer letter. If they can improve the product on the field, they will make more money if/when they decide to leave or resign. If they fail, they can blame the situation and will probably be given a 'pass' at their next job. Coaches probably look at this as a win/win situation.
Purely my opinion and I could be completely wrong. Either way, I will be a fan and hoping for success as I have the last 15 years.
Go Vols!

I agree 100% like you said they know before they even sign the contract what the pros and cons are of this job. This is there passion straight up and they just wanna coach and beyond the condition of this program this is a big opportunity because if you can truly turn it around win here then you are going to be seen as one of the greats if not o well go find another job.

 

[Southeastern VFL]

Franklin turned down 8 million to come here.

White turned his attention to Josh Heupel because he was the safe choice.

I don’t think money was the issue during the hiring process.

That is why you have to know how to play it right and Tennessee has proven time after time they don't know how to do it right. With that being said I will say this I think White had a very good safe choice when you look at the numbers his offense has put up Heupel is not a bad fall back choice jmo.

 

[GAVol]

In his first 3 seasons, he was 25-16. He had not had a losing regular season. He'd won his division twice and his conference once. I'd take that from a UT HC and see it as a definite sign of great potential for the future.

I don’t think a lot of people would be optimistic if a coach regressed to 6-7 and lost to South Florida in a bowl game in year 3. There was nothing that suggested they were about to win big and there was pressure at Clemson to make a move. Obviously it all worked out.