Heupel gives update on Tillman and I don’t like the sound of it

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volmanjr said:
They were about as dirty as we have seen but I think Tillman's injury was complete accident when he was blocking in the endzone and got rolled up with defender that wasn't engaged with him.
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Akron hit him low when he went up for a short catch. Unnecessary hit especially in a game like that.
 
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RiseToTheTop said:
he is around 5 or 5 and a half wks at this point. He got it done just a few days after it happened. This saturday will be 6 weeks since it happened.
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I think AL rushed Tua back after a similar surgery.. I want to say at three weeks? I know they are different positions played… maybe just an abundance of caution with a smidge of not telling the competition what’s going on?
 
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I saw CT on the field before the UTM game. His ankle was taped, but he was running 20-30 yards and exercising.
 
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BACKDOC said:
Hubbs and Price said they look for him to play Sat. But not sure how many snaps; this might be the long term deal that coach is talking about............does he play 40 snaps vs UGA? or 50, etc.
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Yeah if he goes Saturday how much healthier will he be a week later?

Do you just wanna get his feet wet enough to be able to be effective against UGA?
 
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Heupel's remark tells me he's still not ready to play. If he were ready to play, the coach would have said so. But he didn't.
I'm not sure why he has to be so vague, except that coaches seem to like the vague/say nothing response to many injury situations--and I don't
think it's for tactical (let's not give the opponent anything) reasons, as it's not like anything much would change with our offense if Tillman were to play.
 
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I think he plays to help get him back into game speed action. With that said, he will be on a snap count and not play a huge factor in the game.
 
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Reporters are reporting he is running and cutting. A lot more this week than previous. The consensus I have read is he will try it out, but snaps may be limited.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
They don't actually and all this makes me wonder if it was something more. In the general public, per medical journals, high ankle sprains take 15-46 days to heal completely. In college football players specifically, a study conducted on high ankle sprains from 2007-2010 among linemen, wide receivers, running backs, and defensive backs showed an average return time of 15.5 days and the longest any of them waited to return was 30 days.
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What? No.

I'm not a doctor. I'm not a nurse. I'm not a candy striper. But I've seen a few of our lads get high ankle sprains over the years.

They are never fast to recover from. Many weeks, sometimes months. Sometimes, depending when the injury happened, season-ending.

Not talking about recovery with this "tight rope surgery" Tillman had. That's supposed to speed things up. Talking about the injury in general.

I think you mis-read something somewhere.

Here's one source that disagrees with you -- first one I found when I googled it:

High Ankle Sprain vs. Ankle Sprain: What’s the Difference? | HSS
What is the recovery time for a high ankle sprain?
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High ankle sprain healing and recovery times vary. Some people are able to return to their sports within six weeks, but about 50% will experience symptoms for as much as six months.
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about that source: "HSS is the #1 orthopedic hospital in the U.S. This content was written or reviewed by HSS physicians who have expert knowledge and experience in musculoskeletal care."
 
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knox-townVOL said:
Maybe overthinking it a bit, but this is the first time his “long-term outlook” has been mentioned:

(From todays presser)

Heupel on Cedric Tillman: We'll see where he's at tomorrow and on game day, will be up to Cedric and our medical staff for his short- and long-term outlook.
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Apparently you've never listen to a Heupel press conference
 
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They put 50 on Bama without him. Coach is playing the long game. No reason to hurt Tillman’s long term future.
 
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With any surgery, I'm a firm believer that rest is best. Tillman was probably very borderline (at best) for Alabama. He could have come back for UT Martin, but why? Just keep letting him rest up, get those practice reps, hit the gym.

For Kentucky, I think if the staff believes that our game plan will take care of the game without him, then they give it one more week. Maybe give him some series to get reps at in-game speed. Ultimately, it's just one less game of film that UGA gets to look at--and that I'd be OK with.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
What? No.

I'm not a doctor. I'm not a nurse. I'm not a candy striper. But I've seen a few of our lads get high ankle sprains over the years.

They are never fast to recover from. Many weeks, sometimes months. Sometimes, depending when the injury happened, season-ending.

Not talking about recovery with this "tight rope surgery" Tillman had. That's supposed to speed things up. Talking about the injury in general.

I think you mis-read something somewhere.

Here's one source that disagrees with you -- first one I found when I googled it:

High Ankle Sprain vs. Ankle Sprain: What’s the Difference? | HSS


about that source: "HSS is the #1 orthopedic hospital in the U.S. This content was written or reviewed by HSS physicians who have expert knowledge and experience in musculoskeletal care."
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I'm gonna go with the actual 3-year study of Division 1 college football players with high ankle sprains over a three year period. That directly applies here. Their max return time was 30 days across all players and the average return time was 15.5 days. David Njoku from the Browns got a high ankle sprain Sunday and his timeline is listed as 2-5 weeks. Though the study notes that NFL players miss an average of 11 practices and 1.4 games with high ankle sprains.

"When the ultrasound findings were compared with number of days to return to play, patients with an intact interosseous membrane had an average return to play of 12.6 days (range, 2-26 days), and those with an interosseous membrane tear had an average of 19.6 days (range, 8-30 days), which was not statistically significant (P = 0.19). However, patients with clinically suspected high ankle sprain and a normal anterior tibiofibular ligament on ultrasound had an average return to play of 3.3 days (range, 2-7 days), compared with those with a complete tibiofibular ligament tear, who averaged 19.2 days (range, 8-30 days), which was statistically significant (P < 0.01)."

Clearly Tillman's injury was very much outside the normal high ankle sprain.
 
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knox-townVOL said:
Maybe overthinking it a bit, but this is the first time his “long-term outlook” has been mentioned:

(From todays presser)

Heupel on Cedric Tillman: We'll see where he's at tomorrow and on game day, will be up to Cedric and our medical staff for his short- and long-term outlook.
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Good grief. You realize we're undefeated....right?
 
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dcibrando said:
i like this... .especially since when he is in the game, he ain't coming out until the next possession since we don't sub
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How long do you figure it will take a DC to figure that out. We need WRs in the game who's going to catch the ball.
 
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"long term" has me thinking what I've always thought since Hyatt, Keyton, McCoy, and Fant all stepped up...Tillman going to redshirt this season and come back next year.
 
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Losing Tillman reminds me of back in the last century in ought 98 when UT lost Jamal Lewis early in the season against LSU. I might be misremembering, but I'm pretty sure we didn't win another game that year.
 
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