Hey Hatvol

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(hvwarrior58 @ Mar 26 said:
Pretty good for a team that had no business in the tournament, eh? :crazy:
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Not bad. Was it me, or was UCONN the most joyless team you've ever seen in the tournament? I know it's not easy being the favorite, but their body language was comparable to guys being sent to work in the salt mines.
 
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They were pretty excited at the end of regulation, but yeah they were emotionless. They looked like they expected to walk through the game.
 
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O, btw, hows about that awesome Big East? 0 bids so far to the Final 4 while the lowly SEC already has 1 and could get another. It could be 1 and 1 or 0 and 2, but either way it looks like the SEC may have been a little underrated.
 
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(hvwarrior58 @ Mar 26 said:
They were pretty excited at the end of regulation, but yeah they were emotionless. They looked like they expected to walk through the game.
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They seemed to think that the entire tournament. That attitude is why they get to watch the Final Four on TV.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Mar 26 said:
Not bad. Was it me, or was UCONN the most joyless team you've ever seen in the tournament? I know it's not easy being the favorite, but their body language was comparable to guys being sent to work in the salt mines.
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This is the main reason why I am glad they are out. UConn never seemed to have that much of a work ethic, and tried to get by on just talent. They didn't play for Calhoun, they played for themselves and that's pretty unfortunate. Great win by Mason, the team that wanted it more than UConn finally won it.
 
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(hvwarrior58 @ Mar 26 said:
O, btw, hows about that awesome Big East? 0 bids so far to the Final 4 while the lowly SEC already has 1 and could get another. It could be 1 and 1 or 0 and 2, but either way it looks like the SEC may have been a little underrated.
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I can point you to posts from around Thanksgiving and Christmas where I said UF and LSU were very good. The fact they're doing well doesn't mean Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Auburn, and Georgia weren't lousy. For example, do you think any of those teams could beat Louisville, Cincinnati, or Notre Dame on a neutral floor? Those are the comparable finishers in the Big East. When you talk about leagues, you're talking about depth.
 
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Depth, yet you don't point out the fact that the Big East has 16 teams while the SEC has only 12.

You point out OM, MSU, AU, and UGA and compare them to UL, UC, and ND. Hows about Depaul, St. Johns, Providence, and South Florida. It is pretty easy to win an argument when you skew all of your points to fit your argument.
 
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(hvwarrior58 @ Mar 26 said:
Depth, yet you don't point out the fact that the Big East has 16 teams while the SEC has only 12.

You point out OM, MSU, AU, and UGA and compare them to UL, UC, and ND. Hows about Depaul, St. Johns, Providence, and South Florida. It is pretty easy to win an argument when you skew all of your points to fit your argument.
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I'm not skewing anything. I'd take any of those teams, except South Florida, against any of the SEC teams at the bottom on a neutral floor. St. John's, until Darryl Hill got hurt, was playing solid basketball. DePaul had some nice wins. Providence is probably on the same level as the SEC teams, but I think Tim Welsh is a better coach than the guys running the botton feeders in the SEC, with the possible exception of Dennis Felton. South Florida is wretched, but they did beat the G'Town team that took Florida to the buzzer handily. Also, you point makes no sense. If the 12 best teams in the Big East are collectively better than the 12 SEC teams, what does it matter how good the bottom for BE teams are? The fact that the bottom of the SEC isn't clearly superior to the bottom of the Big East proves my point.
 
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(hvwarrior58 @ Mar 26 said:
4 teams from the Big East finished with a record of under .500 while only 2 from the SEC did.
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Did you see the nonconference schedules Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Auburn, and Georgia played? Bearden Middle School would have played .500 ball against those slates.
 
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(hvwarrior58 @ Mar 26 said:
And right now a #3 seed SEC team is handling a #1 Big East seed.
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Would those be seeds handed out by the same committee that said UT was a #2?
 
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You have no proof to backup your point. You'd take those 3, since you won't touch USF. I'd take the 4 from the SEC. It is opinionated so you can't win.

My point is that with 16 teams you have a better chance of having upper tier teams then 16. Especially when 2-4 of those teams were drafted from another conference.

 
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I'm not making fun of those seeds, I'm just pointing out that the lower seeded SEC team is spanking the higher seeded Big East team.
 
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(hvwarrior58 @ Mar 26 said:
You have no proof to backup your point. You'd take those 3, since you won't touch USF. I'd take the 4 from the SEC. It is opinionated so you can't win.

My point is that with 16 teams you have a better chance of having upper tier teams then 16. Especially when 2-4 of those teams were drafted from another conference.
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I think you're missing my point. I don't think the Big East has done anything particularly impressive to get their depth. They've just kept adding teams. My gues is that the D-1 playing football schools will split from the non-football schools before long. To your point on who would win those games, Ole Miss was so good this year they fired their coach. Also, look at the tradition of the 4 Big East Teams we're talking about, and compare that with the accomplishments of the aforementioned SEC schools. That shows why the Big East is the toughest conference ever assembled.
 
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Other than Duke, who did St. Johns play in non conf?

Providence did play a nice non conf schedule, but what good is a good non conf schedule if you can't win any of the games?

Depauls non conference schedule was aight.

Lets not touch USF.

 
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Well if the SEC pulled in Memphis, UAB, and 2 other schools, they would be pretty tough too. I'm not arguing history. I'm arguing this year. The Big East was overrated this year and the SEC was underrated.
 
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Hows about this...you take your depth argument and I'll take a championship. The SEC has a 2 in 5 chance to win one while the Big East has a 1 in 5. Those chances will differ greatly in about an hour and a half.
 
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(hvwarrior58 @ Mar 26 said:
Well if the SEC pulled in Memphis, UAB, and 2 other schools, they would be pretty tough too. I'm not arguing history. I'm arguing this year. The Big East was overrated this year and the SEC was underrated.
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Who ever said LSU and Florida weren't good? As to being underrated, didn't the SEC East champion get beat in the second round? One of the reasons I resurrected the thread I started after seeing LSU play Cincinnati, who by the way beat the SEC Champion on a neutral floor, was that I figured everyone would start playing this "SEC is underrated card." I've never underrated LSU or Florida, I've simply said the rest of the conference isn't very good. I didn't see any other SEC teams doing anything special in the tournament.
 
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(hvwarrior58 @ Mar 26 said:
Hows about this...you take your depth argument and I'll take a championship. The SEC has a 2 in 5 chance to win one while the Big East has a 1 in 5. Those chances will differ greatly in about an hour and a half.
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So the Big West was the best conference when Vegas won in '90? If UCLA wins, does that make the PAC-10 the best conference? If G Mase wins two more, will we annoint the CAA college basketball's premier conference?
 
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A 2 seeded UT team got beat by a 7 seeded Wichita State team. What seed did Pitt have and what seed did they get beat by? How many Big East teams got beat in the first round? Now how many SEC teams got beat in the first round?
 
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O and that 2 seeded UT team also beat the 3 seeded UF team that is taking it to the 1 seeded Nova team twice.
 
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(hvwarrior58 @ Mar 26 said:
Other than Duke, who did St. Johns play in non conf?

Providence did play a nice non conf schedule, but what good is a good non conf schedule if you can't win any of the games?

Depauls non conference schedule was aight.

Lets not touch USF.
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St. John's played Hofstra, who beat George Mason twice in the last week of the season, and at Virginia Tech. Cancelling out Duke with Memphis, please find two games even that tough on the Ole Miss schedule. To your point on Providence, at least they have the guts to play some real games instead of fattening their record on the type of garbage the bottom feeders in the SEC play.
 
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