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#26
Milton can def improve on things but he made enough good decisions tonight to get that W. And that’s all that really matters. Going forward, I would like him to be a better runner and use his body better on his runs. Fall forward. Use his strength to pick up short yardage. Hooker was an extremely adept runner. Always knew where the sticks were. Milton just doesn’t seem confident running with the ball even though he has all the physical gifts in the world. But he had a great game. Managed it well. All credit to him.
 
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VolinMichigan said:
Milton can def improve on things but he made enough good decisions tonight to get that W. And that’s all that really matters. Going forward, I would like him to be a better runner and use his body better on his runs. Fall forward. Use his strength to pick up short yardage. Hooker was an extremely adept runner. Always knew where the sticks were. Milton just doesn’t seem confident running with the ball even though he has all the physical gifts in the world. But he had a great game. Managed it well. All credit to him.
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I was of the mind he would have ran better. Possible the coaches told him to be very mindful when taking off tonight?
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Don't need to, this one got started and you were like a moth to the flame to defend the Milton/Vol bashers.
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I literally said they looked dumb, but man am I defending them! The OP started a general thread. You shared game thread posts which I clearly said were idiotic. The OP wasn’t about game thread posts, it was a very broad title.
 

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#30
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He was called over throw Joe for a reason. That’s why Hooker became our starter.
That’s why Michigan benched him.
I hope he does well for us , proof is in the pudding .
Joe has a lot to prove next season and I hope he does. Personally I like the guy . Next year will be his calling card.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
I don’t know anyone that wasn’t cheering for him. It’s insane to suggest fans wanted him to fail, knowing that would mean a Vols loss. I hadn’t seen one post suggesting that. You all create these fights any time someone points out any slight concern over a player.
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Having a concern with Milton's performance st any point during that game = either an agenda or a serious lack of football knowledge....or both.

Im betting both for the majority of those on VN complaining about him.
 
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Listen, I love our lads, every single one of them. Joe's a great young man, big heart and freakish raw talent.

But the criticisms are valid to the extent that they point out he is not prolific. His personal talent, his skill sets, don't always translate into piles of points on the board.

Joe makes mistakes just often enough to kill drives. Does three or four great things, maybe even five or six ... then one or two missed throws, ineffective runs, or bad decisions, and it's time to punt.

We ran 14 offensive drives last night. Only four of them resulted in a touchdown. That's very different from what we did most of the season with Hendon in the shotgun.

That's how we end the game with 28 or 31 or 35 points. Not nearly enough to continue to be the #1 offense in college football. Probably not even among the top 10.

We don't score 40-60 points a game with Joe Milton at the helm. We can score 20-40, but not 40-60. It is simply not the same offense as it was with Hendon dealing. Two or three more of those 14 drives needed to be TDs.

The negavols aren't totally wrong here. Orange Bowl victory notwithstanding, MVP trophy aside, there is validity to the concerns.

Now, that can change during the off-season. Maybe. All Joe's shortcomings seem coachable. His accuracy can improve. He can be taught to make better decisions. There's great hope for another 10-11 win season with Joe at QB. On the other hand, he has been a college QB a lot of years already; coaching tends to follow an S-curve, with all the heavy improvement earlier on and tweaking in the last year or two.

Let's celebrate the bowl win, and a really awesome season. Let's be excited about the future, because Josh Heupel is still--my opinion--the best coach in the SEC, perhaps the best in college football. We're building toward championships again. The future is exciting.

But Joe may not be the answer when the question is about getting back to winning championships.

Go Vols!
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Listen, I love our lads, every single one of them. Joe's a great young man, big heart and freakish raw talent.

But the criticisms are valid to the extent that they point out he is not prolific. The negavols aren't wrong about that.

He makes mistakes just often enough to kill drives. Does three or four great things, maybe even five or six ... then one or two missed throws, ineffective runs, or bad decisions on an option play, and it's time to punt.

That happens often enough and you end the game with 28 or 35 points. Not nearly enough to continue to be the #1 offense in college football. Probably not even among the top 10.

We ran 14 offensive drives last night. Only four of them resulted in a touchdown. That's very different from what we did most of the season with Hendon in the shotgun.

We don't score 40-60 points a game with Joe Milton at the helm. We can score 20-40, but not 40-60. It is simply not the same offense as it was with Hendon at the helm.

Now, that can change during the off-season. Maybe. All Joe's shortcomings seem coachable. His accuracy can improve. He can be taught to make better decisions. There's great hope for another 10-11 win season with Joe at QB next year.

But the negavols aren't totally wrong here. MVP trophy or not, win in the Orange Bowl or not, there is validity to the concerns.

Most of the negavols just aren't bright enough to say what they mean clearly. Just tossing out insults is a trashy thing to do; they deserve scorn for that.

But they aren't entirely wrong in their concerns on this specific question.
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This. I don’t take back my comments. He did some great things and some things that need real improvement. He has many years experience on field at this point, which makes me wonder can he improve enough to be more than a 20-40 point QB.

Without a Georgia type defense, a 20-30 point Offense will possibly mean 9-3 or 8-4 season which I don’t think anyone will be happy with next year.

I am sure I will get blasted but if you are not a realist, you can’t improve.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
You all can’t enjoy anything, you’ve got to wage war on other fans, or the ESPN crew, or Bob Kesling. It’s always something. Why can’t everyone just enjoy the success?
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Thanks brother! I was reading this out of a strange curiosity. Like, is this a joke? Sure, nega vans are irritating but when your first reaction after a win isn’t to celebrate, but start talking about them???
I’m sure I’ve said some stupid stuff in the heat of battle, but I can’t imagine any Vol fan is upset that we won and Milton succeeded.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
I don’t know anyone that wasn’t cheering for him. It’s insane to suggest fans wanted him to fail, knowing that would mean a Vols loss. I hadn’t seen one post suggesting that. You all create these fights any time someone points out any slight concern over a player.
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The attacks on Milton have been relentless. And they've come with absolute declarations that Milton will never succeed at Tennessee. I've seen some say things like, "I can't wait til he fails to prove you all wrong." Yes, that's cheering against him. Don't give me this I-don't-know-what-you-mean garbage now that he had a great game after this board has been littered with people spewing vitriole at the kid, as if they're somehow victims.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
I don’t know anyone that wasn’t cheering for him. It’s insane to suggest fans wanted him to fail, knowing that would mean a Vols loss. I hadn’t seen one post suggesting that. You all create these fights any time someone points out any slight concern over a player.
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I think what they mean is some have thought they were creative & cute and had pre typed, things like Overthrow Joe & Bazooka Joe. Trying to make fun and to exacerbate the hard climb & upward projection of the team some without knowing. A lot do not realize the discourse they bring and in this social media overlaps of millions,it does get around to other teams and high school programs and has a measurable effect on the program.
 
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The negative Vols cry and moan…the true Vols lay a hundy on Our boys to win the last half of the season. A494FCF7-AAD9-4FCE-991C-98EE40B0BCD4.jpeg

Thank God for Joe, Banks, and Martinez. Suck it haters!!!!
 
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rjl4tnvols said:
So refreshing going into next season with momentum and so many positives. This season was definitely not expected. What a ride it was. Joe played solid first half, really good second half. He seems to have better control of his passes as well. Just think what another spring and fall camp under Hype will do for him. Great things are coming.
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This was next years team we watched with additions still to come. Tennessee will be a preseason top 10 team.

Wow that feels good to say again
 
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Any concerns of Milton based on prior play were legit based on what he showed. Now, you can call us/me a negavol for not thinking he would pull off a big win all you want, but to say that we're depressed that he won a game is talking out your backside...I imagine all of us who didn't think Milton had it in him are celebrating in his success. GoVols!
 
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OrangeInKy said:
Wow. Well, those guys look pretty dumb. I don’t see why we care, let’s enjoy the win.
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Actually you look pretty dumb trying to defend this crap! Even in your”praise” of Milton, you through in the random “ concerned about his overthrows” when in fact, he played a great game with one overthrow. Sometimes your post seem a bit trollish.
 
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Sara Clark said:
Any concerns of Milton based on prior play were legit based on what he showed. Now, you can call us/me a negavol for not thinking he would pull off a big win all you want, but to say that we're depressed that he won a game is talking out your backside...I imagine all of us who didn't think Milton had it in him are celebrating in his success. GoVols!
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So are you saying you’re a negavol or not?
 
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VolinMichigan said:
Milton can def improve on things but he made enough good decisions tonight to get that W. And that’s all that really matters. Going forward, I would like him to be a better runner and use his body better on his runs. Fall forward. Use his strength to pick up short yardage. Hooker was an extremely adept runner. Always knew where the sticks were. Milton just doesn’t seem confident running with the ball even though he has all the physical gifts in the world. But he had a great game. Managed it well. All credit to him.
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I will say I was a critic of him last year as he would kind of turn sideways and ball up and brace for the hit. This year he has brought some force to his runs. I think as he moves forward, we will see him make some better runs and one run he should have given, and the DE was there for a 1-yard loss. Although that DE was spot-on all-night think was #17 or 15. I think he has a lot more speed than people think but he will never be as good a runner as HH. That pass to Bru in the end zone was NFL on steroids. You can't throw it hard enough for Bru to miss it.
 
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