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#76
#76
river rat said:
I was super pissed about that. The interference, not the call.

But, my lurker, 30 year casual fan "football IQ" is pretty low. Is it sometimes (ever?) a good tactic to bust up a touchdown pass play and take the penalty to live to fight for one more down?

Don't know. Asking for a friend.
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In certain situations it's a very wise play, and it probably was intentional in this case. The DB had no clue where the ball was and may have decided the penalty was better than giving up 6.
 
#78
#78
Gutsy win? We handed that game to them on a silver freaking platter. A team with an average OC and decent HC would have beaten OU by 3 TDs.
 
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#82
#82
bowlinggreenvol said:
Guess you failed to see the OG practically engaged in a full on block before the snap. A play that should've made a 3rd and 3, a 3rd and 8. Instead you pick up a first down and then we get a holding makeup call on the next play. We got the yards back but it completely shifted the dynamics of a 3rd and long and possible 4th down decision to a first and long.
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Nope, I saw all of that. I also saw Hurd ripping at one of our DB's face mask as his stiff armed his way out of bounds on the first drive. I saw Bond get his head snapped around by a UT lineman in the 4th. I saw holding multiple times by UT in the first half that didn't get called. I saw bad calls and no calls against both teams throughout the game that were terrible.

But if you would rather blame one call that may very well have been legit for the end result, instead of playing not to lose the entire 2nd half on offense, or not going for it 4th and goal from the 1 foot line, then feel free.
 
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#83
#83
ReaderVol said:
Of course you would.
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Yeah who wants a guy who plays balls to the wall, talks trash and backs it up. Football is all rainbows, unicorns and beautiful meadows. I know UT has to be the ambassadors of CFB. We must uphold the highest standards. Blah, blah, blah. I want wins and I could care less what the players do after a big win.
 
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#84
#84
BigOrangeTrain said:
Yeah who wants a guy who plays balls to the wall, talks trash and backs it up. Football is all rainbows, unicorns and beautiful meadows. I know UT has to be the ambassadors of CFB. We must uphold the highest standards. Blah, blah, blah. I want wins and I could care less what the players do after a big win.
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I have no doubt what you are sir. Have a good day.
 
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#85
#85
You can complain about the penalties, but there were tons of no calls against vols holding and pass interference in the first two quarters. You had the refs in the first half. Its satisfying to actually get some of the bad calls back late in the game.

1:57:58 you tell me when you hear the whistle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJa5cVsPAQ8
 
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#86
#86
Blood Runs Orange said:
Give me a freakin break. The refs blew the whistle that Dobbs' forward progress had stopped well before he dropped the ball. As much as you may not like that, that is what happened. It just doesn't matter that he dropped the ball after the play was blown dead. It would be like getting mad because your team didnt get a fumble that happened after a player is on the ground. Those are just football rules, you guys didn't get screwed out of anything.

On the other hand, the bogus pass interference call decided the game. And the obvious false start on the Oklahoma right guard on the next play that the refs neglected to call.

We sure didn't deserve to win with as crappy as offensive performance as we had. But make no mistake, OU doesn't win this without the refs on their last scoring drive.
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The whistle didn't blow until after the ball popped out and we made our first attempt to pick it up, but you can believe what you want.

Are you refuting that the ball hit where I said it did instead of hitting the wall first, which obviously didn't happen? If not, there's really nothing left to discuss is there?
 
#87
#87
Jaspercane said:
You can complain about the penalties, but there were tons of no calls against vols holding and pass interference in the first two quarters. You had the refs in the first half. Its satisfying to actually get some of the bad calls back late in the game.

1:57:58 you tell me when you hear the whistle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJa5cVsPAQ8
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Thank you. Go to the around the 2:30:00 mark to review the PI call. I think it's pretty open to interpretation, but no one can say that OU couldn't have scored even without that call. It's all hypothetical after that. Even with the call, Tennessee could have held us out of the end zone. They also could have attempted to get the ball in field goal range with 40 seconds on the clock and two timeouts, but they took a knee instead. They could have stopped us from scoring twice in OT, and Dobbs could have not thrown a pick. As other Vol fans have stated, playing not to lose is why they lost. The defense was gassed. The offensive gameplan and inability to keep OU's defenders out of the backfield in the 4th is what put them in that position.
 
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#88
#88
tnraider1 said:
Nope, I saw all of that. I also saw Hurd ripping at one of our DB's face mask as his stiff armed his way out of bounds on the first drive. I saw Bond get his head snapped around by a UT lineman in the 4th. I saw holding multiple times by UT in the first half that didn't get called. I saw bad calls and no calls against both teams throughout the game that were terrible.

But if you would rather blame one call that may very well have been legit for the end result, instead of playing not to lose the entire 2nd half on offense, or not going for it 4th and goal from the 1 foot line, then feel free.
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You're good at trying to connect non-existent dots. I didn't once say officiating cost us the game; I argued that the forward-progress, fumble wasn't the most egregious missed call. The guard came completely out of his stance before the ball moved a blade of grass. It wasn't a judgement call or a hard one to see.

If anything, your response sounds like your trying to justify the win despite being screwed all game. This is mine, and likely many others, problem with you; you can't just discuss the game pre or post without throwing a few smartass, zingers in just for good measure.
 
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#89
#89
bowlinggreenvol said:
You're good at trying to connect non-existent dots. I didn't once say officiating cost us the game; I argued that the forward-progress, fumble wasn't the most egregious missed call. The guard came completely out of his stance before the ball moved a blade of grass. It wasn't a judgement call or a hard one to see.

If anything, your response sounds like your trying to justify the win despite being screwed all game. This is mine, and likely many others, problem with you; you can't just discuss the game pre or post without throwing a few smartass, zingers in just for good measure.
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I think you are reading something into that post that isn't there. No smart ass tone intended. I just meant that I wasn't going to waste time arguing back and forth about perceptions. I agreed it was a bad call, but pointed out there were many others as well. I'm not sure what you want me to say.

We got called for holding the next play after that missed false start. I thought that was a make up call until I saw it on tape. That backed us up farther than the false start would have, yet the Sooners still managed to find a way to get into the end zone. Maybe another 5 yards would have made a difference, maybe not. It really doesn't matter at this point.

You don't have to like me. I'm going to post my opinions on the Knoxville thoughts thread for Sooner fans and probably won't be on here again until I come back to congratulate you on beating Florida. I hope you win out the rest of the way. Good luck.
 
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#90
#90
jimallvol said:
It never seems to amaze me how Tennessee can find more ways to lose a game than any program I've ever seen. I had a bad feeling when Butch kicked the 3 instead of going for it right on the goaline. We've got a 240 RB and a descent mobile QB and Butch decides to take the 3. Butch coached this game not to lose instead of coaching to win. Bottom line is Butch blew this game on national TV, and everyone knows it. The jury was out if he could be a good in game coach, and tonight our questions were anwsered. I can't wait to hear all the coach talk tomorrow about how our team is young and how were going to start getting ready for next week. What a joke!Our talent was head & shoulders bbetter tonight. When we got the lead Butch went into conservative mode and started coaching to sit on his lead instead of coaching to score and win the game. Bottom line is OU &Stoops come into Neyland with a walkon QB and flat out beat us. It reminded me of the Fulmer days when he would get a lead and just sat on it, and end up losing the game. Some people might get mad, but this loss tonight was down right embarrassing and pathetic!!
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Understand your frustration. Very easy to think go for it and win the game. The other side is go for it a come up short and the game momentum switches to the Sooners with the young Vols and fans deeply frustrated.

Perhaps Butch would have gone for the TD with a more seasoned team that would better handle a failure if it occurred.

For certain Jones knew he did not want to come up with zero points and waste a key turnover. He wanted points of the board and to keep all the momentum. The fact he followed the FG with two touchdowns in the next 15 minutes of action tells me he made the correct football decision.

Remember fan hind sight is 20/20. Going into the fourth quarter with that early score meant the Vols could not lose to the Sooners if the score twice like the did.

You can what if all you want the mathematical odds says put points on the board. The NFL displays that multiple times every week.
 
#92
#92
djwes said:
OU QB is a gamer, congrats Sooners
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The OU QB had a QBR of 43 something, second leading rusher on their team with 40 some odd yards, 3.3 ypc. OU did not have a back go over a 100 yards. Congrats OU.
 
#93
#93
tnraider1 said:
I think you are reading something into that post that isn't there. No smart ass tone intended. I just meant that I wasn't going to waste time arguing back and forth about perceptions. I agreed it was a bad call, but pointed out there were many others as well. I'm not sure what you want me to say.

We got called for holding the next play after that missed false start. I thought that was a make up call until I saw it on tape. That backed us up farther than the false start would have, yet the Sooners still managed to find a way to get into the end zone. Maybe another 5 yards would have made a difference, maybe not. It really doesn't matter at this point.

You don't have to like me. I'm going to post my opinions on the Knoxville thoughts thread for Sooner fans and probably won't be on here again until I come back to congratulate you on beating Florida. I hope you win out the rest of the way. Good luck.
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The problem with the makeup hold or not, was it occurred on a 1st down. Which was the result of the non-false start play being allowed to stand. It was 3rd and 3 and you false start, yet it's not called and the ensuing play results in a first down. If it's called, its 3rd and 8 and the play calling for both teams change. Not that you still wouldn't have ultimately scored.

But I'd rather have OU at 3rd and 8 on the 15 for arguments sake than 1st and 18 on the 23.
 
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#94
#94
tnraider1 said:
Nope, I saw all of that. I also saw Hurd ripping at one of our DB's face mask as his stiff armed his way out of bounds on the first drive. I saw Bond get his head snapped around by a UT lineman in the 4th. I saw holding multiple times by UT in the first half that didn't get called. I saw bad calls and no calls against both teams throughout the game that were terrible.

But if you would rather blame one call that may very well have been legit for the end result, instead of playing not to lose the entire 2nd half on offense, or not going for it 4th and goal from the 1 foot line, then feel free.
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Your refs came through for you at the end.
 
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#96
#96
bowlinggreenvol said:
The problem with the makeup hold or not, was it occurred on a 1st down. Which was the result of the non-false start play being allowed to stand. It was 3rd and 3 and you false start, yet it's not called and the ensuing play results in a first down. If it's called, its 3rd and 8 and the play calling for both teams change. Not that you still wouldn't have ultimately scored.

But I'd rather have OU at 3rd and 8 on the 15 for arguments sake than 1st and 18 on the 23.
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I can agree with that. I didn't even see the play because when I saw us jump, I face palmed myself not thinking the refs would miss something that obvious. We shot ourselves in the foot so many times with dumb penalties and dropped passes, even on the last drive of regulation, that I'm still amazed that we walked away with a W.
 
#97
#97
tnraider1 said:
I can agree with that. I didn't even see the play because when I saw us jump, I face palmed myself not thinking the refs would miss something that obvious. We shot ourselves in the foot so many times with dumb penalties and dropped passes, even on the last drive of regulation, that I'm still amazed that we walked away with a W.
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I didn't see the hold and thought it was a makeup call; maybe it did actually occur. The 5 OU guys I was sitting with laughed at how egregious the false start was and said we deserved the hold call regardless of its legitimacy. Regardless of the outcome of the game, that crew should be embarrassed. They'd fit right in with the hacks we have in the SEC.
 
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#98
#98
Met some OU fans before the game and they were cool. The ones I had by me in the stadium not so much. I was ready to throw them down the stands. Also saw them dumping their drinks over the back of the stadium on Tn fans walking down the ramp. Moving on and hope we learn and get on a roll from here on out. GBO!
 
#99
#99
bowlinggreenvol said:
I didn't see the hold and thought it was a makeup call; maybe it did actually occur. The 5 OU guys I was sitting with laughed at how egregious the false start was and said we deserved the hold call regardless of its legitimacy. Regardless of the outcome of the game, that crew should be embarrassed. They'd fit right in with the hacks we have in the SEC.
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It was definitely legit. Perine had an easy stroll into the end zone with or without the hold by the wideout, but he had a big old handful of jersey anyway. I haven't seen a big 12 crew I liked yet, but maybe it's just me.
 
#100
#100
Volz4lif3 said:
True but we need to stop being a bunch of crybabies we did lose and our team blew it.. Sucks I know but it's time to move on and get into SEC play..
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I agree, we should not have been in a position for the refs to have been able to influence the outcome of the game but the OK Hicks that claim they got the short end of the officiating to sthu and take their classless team and coach back to bum ***t OK. I've never seen so much conference and stadium envy as I have with the criminals from Norman.
 
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