Hill 117 - A Steep One

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Dooley Noted

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I am hoping for a 7-5 season. God knows we need a bowl game this year.

But for you more *cough* experienced fans....Just to put into perspective the kind of offensive production Team 117 has to try to replace, I looked up the stats for our departed WRs. Here is the link to my info:

Tennessee Volunteers Career Receiving Statistics - Totalfootballstats.com

C.Patterson's CAREER stats (from 2012 alone) are just less than Jason Witten's Career totals:

33 Jason Witten Comp 68 Yds 797 TDs 7
34 Cordarrelle Patterson Comp 46 Yds 778 TDs 5

J.Hunter's Career stats are about the same as a guy you might have heard of by the last name Pickens:

7 Carl Pickens Comp 109 Yds 1875 TDs 13
8 Justin Hunter Comp 106 Yds 1814 TDs 18

Throw in a couple more guys ranked in the top 30 all-time:

23 Mychal Rivera Comp 76 Yds 1018 TDs 6
28 Zach Rogers Comp 63 Yds 906 TDs 9

And FWIW, DaRick Rodgers Career stats were actually just a hair better than some guy named Willie Gault:

20 Da'Rick Rogers Comp 78 Yds 1210 TDs 11
21 Willie Gault Comp 66 Yds 1193 TDs 8

I know I'm about to get called a troll and a NegaVol and any number of other heinous things, but I just thought the comparison might temper some expectations.

CBJ and Team 117 need steady support, not a bi-polar fanbase. I think we will see good things from Coach Jones and the Vols very soon...and it will certainly be fun to watch. But I am afraid this year will be an awfully steep hill to climb.
 
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oohhh I have been looking for an opportunity to post this stat.

Patterson averaged 12.3 yards per carry on 25 attempts. Despite the small sample size that is the CRAZIEST stat I have ever heard for a UT player in my life. I was kicking and screaming all of last year that he should get double or triple the carries he was getting, but even I had no idea just how unbelievable he was running the football statistically.
 
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Last year's offense was, statistically, the best is school history, and we didn't even really have a running game.

The people who complained about last year's offense might need to be on suicide watch this year. We could almost pick up 15 yards at will last year.
 
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Majorvol23 said:
Last year's offense was, statistically, the best is school history, and we didn't even really have a running game.

The people who complained about last year's offense might need to be on suicide watch this year. We could almost pick up 15 yards at will last year.
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Makes me cringe to think of the possibility of last year's defense and this year's inexperienced offense.
 
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You're right. It will be a steep hill to climb. But a few things: It's not fair to compare Witten and CP, one being an underutilized tight end his whole career at UT and the other a dynamic WR in a pass-happy offense. Also, Carl Pickens was playing in a different era when it was run first with the tandem of Cobb and Webb. Besides the fact that teams throw the ball a lot more these days, Pickens didn't play as a true freshman (not many did during that time) and left early for the draft as did Hunter. He was head and shoulders above Hunter as a receiver. Furthermore, Willie Gault was from a totally different era where they ran the ball mostly, and most of his heroics came via kickoff returns. That being said, we do have a lot of offensive firepower to replace and fans need to be patient as Butch builds it back up to the standards we're used to around here. See you in Neyland.
 
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Dooley Noted said:
I am hoping for a 7-5 season. God knows we need a bowl game this year.

But for you more *cough* experienced fans....Just to put into perspective the kind of offensive production Team 117 has to try to replace, I looked up the stats for our departed WRs. Here is the link to my info:

Tennessee Volunteers*Career Receiving Statistics - Totalfootballstats.com

C.Patterson's CAREER stats (from 2012 alone) are just less than Jason Witten's Career totals:

33 Jason Witten Comp 68 Yds 797 TDs 7
34 Cordarrelle Patterson Comp 46 Yds 778 TDs 5

J.Hunter's Career stats are about the same as a guy you might have heard of by the last name Pickens:

7 Carl Pickens Comp 109 Yds 1875 TDs 13
8 Justin Hunter Comp 106 Yds 1814 TDs 18

Throw in a couple more guys ranked in the top 30 all-time:

23 Mychal Rivera Comp 76 Yds 1018 TDs 6
28 Zach Rogers Comp 63 Yds 906 TDs 9

And FWIW, DaRick Rodgers Career stats were actually just a hair better than some guy named Willie Gault:

20 Da'Rick Rogers Comp 78 Yds 1210 TDs 11
21 Willie Gault Comp 66 Yds 1193 TDs 8

I know I'm about to get called a troll and a NegaVol and any number of other heinous things, but I just thought the comparison might temper some expectations.

CBJ and Team 117 need steady support, not a bi-polar fanbase. I think we will see good things from Coach Jones and the Vols very soon...and it will certainly be fun to watch. But I am afraid this year will be an awfully steep hill to climb.
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:good!:
 
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Majorvol23 said:
Last year's offense was, statistically, the best is school history, and we didn't even really have a running game.

The people who complained about last year's offense might need to be on suicide watch this year. We could almost pick up 15 yards at will last year.
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And yet we still couldn't put up points against UF, Bama, or Vandy (!).

That offense is heavily skewed because teams chose to just shred our D as quickly as possible and force our offense to keep up. Also, the Troy game was quite an anomaly. Under no circumstances should Bray have had to throw 500+ yds in that game for us to win.
 
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Aesius said:
And yet we still couldn't put up points against UF, Bama, or Vandy (!).

That offense is heavily skewed because teams chose to just shred our D as quickly as possible and force our offense to keep up. Also, the Troy game was quite an anomaly. Under no circumstances should Bray have had to throw 500+ yds in that game for us to win.
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We put up as many points on UF and Alabama as anybody. The Vandy game was an anomaly.

That wasn't a good offense, it was a great one. We had the potential to be a 10 win football team with just an average SEC defense.
 
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lockvol said:
It's not fair to compare Witten and CP...Also, Carl Pickens was playing in a different era ...Furthermore, Willie Gault was from a totally different era...
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I see your point(s) and agree. My point is simply that the loss of production in the passing game alone is of epic proportions. And regardless of era, position, what have you...the guys we have to replace compare statistically to some of the best to ever wear the Power T.
 
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I agree that we lost a ton of talent from the skill positions on offense and that it will be a struggle at times this year.
I just think stats from different eras can be a little misleading. For instance, Tauren Poole had over 1000 yards in 2010 and was an average back at best. Johnny Majors had just over 1000 total yards his senior year and should have won the Heisman (finished 2nd as we all know). Numbers are different from different time periods is all I'm saying. I think we both agree on the main point though. We have to find some playmakers!
 
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Majorvol23 said:
Last year's offense was, statistically, the best is school history, and we didn't even really have a running game.

The people who complained about last year's offense might need to be on suicide watch this year. We could almost pick up 15 yards at will last year.
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until we needed it................smh
 
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I'm going to get through this season by resorting to the philosophy I had to adopt to survive last season. I'm going to let the coaches do the coaching, the players do the playing, and I'll cover the drinking.

I feel like these guys are in better hands. We'll see how it plays out on field.
 
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lockvol said:
You're right. It will be a steep hill to climb. But a few things: It's not fair to compare Witten and CP, one being an underutilized tight end his whole career at UT and the other a dynamic WR in a pass-happy offense. Also, Carl Pickens was playing in a different era when it was run first with the tandem of Cobb and Webb. Besides the fact that teams throw the ball a lot more these days, Pickens didn't play as a true freshman (not many did during that time) and left early for the draft as did Hunter. He was head and shoulders above Hunter as a receiver. Furthermore, Willie Gault was from a totally different era where they ran the ball mostly, and most of his heroics came via kickoff returns. That being said, we do have a lot of offensive firepower to replace and fans need to be patient as Butch builds it back up to the standards we're used to around here. See you in Neyland.
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Givin' statistics a beatdown. Nice.:thumbsup:
 
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lockvol said:
I agree that we lost a ton of talent from the skill positions on offense and that it will be a struggle at times this year.
I just think stats from different eras can be a little misleading. For instance, Tauren Poole had over 1000 yards in 2010 and was an average back at best. Johnny Majors had just over 1000 total yards his senior year and should have won the Heisman (finished 2nd as we all know). Numbers are different from different time periods is all I'm saying. I think we both agree on the main point though. We have to find some playmakers!
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I think only the 10 regular season games counted for stats in Major's era.

Today you can have up to 14 games count for yearly stats.

Even in Pickins era there were only 11 regular season games... can't remember if bowl games counted in stats back in 90-91.

So huge disparity. Can't remember compare stats from players in different eras.
 
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Ok. I know there is alot of unproven talent on offense and that makes me a little anxious but.....unproven means hasn't had a chance to prove yet. Keep the faith my brothers and sistas.

I'm actually gonna watch every game with great anticipation and enthusiasm.
 
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Slingshot said:
Ok. I know there is alot of unproven talent on offense and that makes me a little anxious but.....unproven means hasn't had a chance to prove yet. Keep the faith my brothers and sistas.

I'm actually gonna watch every game with great anticipation and enthusiasm.
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:good!:
 
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General Jack said:
I think only the 10 regular season games counted for stats in Major's era.

Today you can have up to 14 games count for yearly stats.

Even in Pickins era there were only 11 regular season games... can't remember if bowl games counted in stats back in 90-91.

So huge disparity. Can't remember compare stats from players in different eras.
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Just FWIW....

J.Hunter played in 9 fewer games than C.Pickens during his career. He also played in 7 fewer than D.Stallworth, but had more yards and TDs.

D.Rodgers played 10 fewer games than W.Gault played in his career. He also played 21 fewer than Jermaine Copeland, who gained 100 more yards but one less TD.

And C.Patterson played 24 fewer games than J.Witten. He also played 22 fewer than Eric Parker, who had 50 more yards, but 2 fewer TDs.

You can argue about the stats & the greatness of each of these players all you want, but you are fooling yourself if you don't think replacing the lion's share of their production will be critical to winning games. Hopefully we can run the ball more effectively, too.
 
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I think we got some young guys that will step up, will they be able to match that sort of production? I don't know, and no one else knows either. But every great player was an unknown new guy once.
 
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BennisDrewer said:
Makes me cringe to think what could of been with last years offense and an in any way competent defense.
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I don't really believe in any kind of a conspiracy, but it sure looked like there was a plan in place to de-rail the season ... bring in the WORST defense in the history of the Tennessee program during a year when our offense was good enough to win 8 or maybe even 9 games.

... or it could have just been the fact that we had incredibly inept coaching overall.

Go Vols!
 
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