HOF'er Jim Brown not impressed with Richardson

#26
#26
jwp1223 said:
Disrespect nah, just not going to give him full credit....seriously....it must be hard to get 1600 yards a year behind 5 perennial All pro offensive linemen...
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You act like he was playing in a flag football league.
 
#29
#29
Barry Sanders is the best running back of all time and it's not even close. I was a huge E Smith fan though. Guys is a pure beast.
 
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#32
tri_vol said:
I'd take Sweetness over Sanders.
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Im not arguing with you. But I would flip the two. I think you could take the top 5 and mix them up, grab a guy out of the bag and have a great running back.

I grew up idolizing Sweetness. The dude was the smoothest, toughest running back I have ever seen. There will never be another like him.

Barry Sanders could not do some of the things that Sweetness did, but at the same time, Sweetness could never do some of the things that Barry Sanders did.

Both of them were great running backs, great football players. And the same for Emmitt Smith. Emmitt was a great running back. It doesnt matter how great your line is, (and yeah, that helps) you dont rack up those yards, and those stats without being a great running back. And Emmitt was great.

My list goes like this:
1) Barry
2) Sweetness
3) Emmitt
4) OJ Simpson
5) Earl Campbell
6) Maybe Jim Brown

(Somewhere in that top 6, you have to add in Gayle Sayers. Again, didnt get to see him play, but I have seen enough film, and have read enough to know he belongs there)

I saw the top 5 in their prime. There is no one better than Barry Sanders, and that is not being disrespectful to Sweetness. Loved the guy. Tried to model myself after him when I played.
 
#34
#34
GAVol said:
Me too. My favorite though is still the healthy version of Earl Campbell. Dude was a runaway dump truck.
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and there has never been anyone close to being another Earl Campbell. When TJ Duckett was at Michigan State, he was probably the closest I have seen. . . . but he still was not even close.


Earl was a beast. I loved watching him play. Earl and Billy White Shoes Johnson!! WOOOOOOOOooooo!!!!

:good!::good!:
 
#36
#36
If you include receiving stats, Faulk is somewhere up there.




Edit: Actually, he's 10th rushing overall with 12,279 yards. If you include 6,875 yards receiving, he's definitely up there. He averaged 4.3 yards per carry and 9.0 yards per catch.
 
#38
#38
Orangesmokey said:
This. And he is bitter about life... not just football. Seems that way anyways
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and I think this thread is a fine example of why he is so bitter. He is no longer relevant. The thread started about him, and turned to people that are better than him. And life has done the same thing. If he had adapted in life, he would still be a relevant and revered part of the NFL. But he didnt.
 
#39
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vols-1 said:
This guy is still mad because he walked away from being a star in football to be a B-movie star.

"(Cleveland) --* The legendary Jim Brown will be absent when the Cleveland Browns unveil their "Ring of Honor" at Cleveland Browns Stadium on September 19.

Brown made his intentions known in a strongly-worded letter. In the message to Browns President Mike Holmgren, sent to the Browns and to The Cleveland Plain Dealer, Brown says he's not at all happy with the role with the team that Holmgren has offered him, one that Brown calls a “greeter, that of a mascot.”

In the letter, Brown told Holmgren, “I don't claim to be the best at anything, and I do not need validation from any man, so I will not participate in your Ring of Honor.”
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Would've loved to have seen Holmgren reply with a smart ass response like, "Ok...cool. More food for us." or "They made me ask. Glad that's over. Peace out."
 
#43
#43
He had an interesting observation here though:

Brown also said he wasn’t impressed with Mark Ingram, the Saints’ first-round draft pick last year, and he suggested that if Richardson couldn’t start ahead of Ingram when they both played at Alabama, that means Richardson can’t be better than Ingram.
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#45
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GAVol said:
Me too. My favorite though is still the healthy version of Earl Campbell. Dude was a runaway dump truck.
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He was incredible. I don't know if you knew but he is a wheelchair now. Worked with a guy who was a 2nd or 3drd cousin of his.
 
#46
#46
WA_Vol said:
He was incredible. I don't know if you knew but he is a wheelchair now. Worked with a guy who was a 2nd or 3drd cousin of his.
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Sad running back is easily most punished position so eventually gets you. I know people hate to say athletes are underpaid. I do believe all the old timers before mega money was made in 90s should have major pensions to offset their health.
 
#47
#47
DeepSpringsVol said:
Sad running back is easily most punished position so eventually gets you. I know people hate to say athletes are underpaid. I do believe all the old timers before mega money was made in 90s should have major pensions to offset their health.
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NFL doesn't even provide medical benefits to former players.
 
#48
#48
Jim Brown could have been the Hank Aaron of the NFL.

Too bad he ruined it.
 
#49
#49
WA_Vol said:
NFL doesn't even provide medical benefits to former players.
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George Webster, Former Houston Oiler and Mich State great, had many physical issues also. Part of his and Earls issues can be attributed to the concrete hard turf at the Astrodome.

I think the NFL has failed these guys. From Websters Wiki page.

In 1989, Webster applied for benefits as totally and permanently disabled. He was found to have lost most use of a hand, foot, knee and ankle due to football-related injuries but did not meet the NFL's definition of totally disabled.

In 1998, the Supreme Court, let stand a finding by the NFL's retirement board that Webster's disability was not related to his football career.

Football-related disability benefits are $4,000 a month; non-football disability monthly benefits are $750.

In 2002, Webster had his right leg amputated above the knee in Houston because the limb had little circulation despite five previous surgeries.

On April 19, 2007, Webster died in Houston, Texas.
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MSU's players assoc. tried to raise money for George on several occasions, and helped to defer some of those medical bills. Truly great man, and a great football player, left to deal with all of that on his own by his former employers. I also would think that the NFL Players association would step up a bit and take care of these guys. If I win the lotto (The only way I can afford it) you can bet your ass that Earl wont see another medical bill.
 
#50
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GatorBill said:
George Webster, Former Houston Oiler and Mich State great, had many physical issues also. Part of his and Earls issues can be attributed to the concrete hard turf at the Astrodome.

I think the NFL has failed these guys. From Websters Wiki page.

MSU's players assoc. tried to raise money for George on several occasions, and helped to defer some of those medical bills. Truly great man, and a great football player, left to deal with all of that on his own by his former employers. I also would think that the NFL Players association would step up a bit and take care of these guys. If I win the lotto (The only way I can afford it) you can bet your ass that Earl wont see another medical bill.
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I'm not pro-union, but in this case, you can't blame the NFL players for organizing and demanding better benefits.
 
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