Holly isn’t handling the termination well...

[creekdipper]

One thing all can agree upon...this situation has been incredibly divisive among the fan base.

Hopefully, everyone will settle down when the new coaching staff is named and get back down to the business of pulling together to get back to winning championships. We can argue about who would be best suited for the job, how we want them to go about it, which players could fit into that culture and accomplish the mission, but we shouldn't waste time ripping into each other if we are truly Lady Vols fans and not just trying to stir up manure to amuse the fan base of our rivals.

We're known for being passionate but usually doing so with class. Let's be optimistic that good days are ahead.

 

[creekdipper]

Holly became HC under some unique/stressful circumstances. There was pressure on her to win from the start. Firing Holly was the right move, she's a mediocre head coach. However, I think coaching at a lower level school, where the expectations are low, and she can develop her own identity/coaching style, could really help Holly's growth as a head coach...But Warlick first needs to take a look in the mirror and be honest about her shortcomings.

Interesting take. I think most assumed that this would be Holly's last stand and that even if other schools came calling, it was Tennessee or nothing for Holly. But under the right circumstances and a lot of self-reflection, it's possible that the coaching bug might still bite her, a floundering school might welcome her experience, she might be able to swallow her pride and take on a challenge, and she might be stubborn enough and have the fire to prove her detractors wrong.

That's a tall order, especially at her age, but not totally impossible. If Holly can be successful elsewhere, more power to her. Maybe some of her most severe detractors can eventually partially forgive her. I wasn't thrilled with her succeeding Pat and lost interest in watching most games a couple of seasons ago, but I'm past ready to put this era in the rear-view mirror.

The Lady Vol program has just undergone a trouble decade...first, Pat's illness, then Holly's succession based upon assumptions and Pat's wishes, then Pat's death, and finally the quick collapse and decline after an initial leveling off as a top second-tier team. The offense has needed an upgrade since before then. It's just been a near-unprecedented situation with the dual-coaching season, etc. and hindsight makes it seem totally predictable.

Everything happens for a reason; hopefully, we've learned our lessons and can make another near-unprecedented (in WCBB) rise to prominence and major success.

 

[Tennesseefan2019]

Holly needs a therapist

 

[Rushin Orange Collusion]

Ball girl, wipe down the floors, water girl?

Motivational speaker?

 

[Tennesseefan2019]

Motivational speaker?

Or demotivational speaker

 

[SmokyRiverDog]

Re: your first statement, 100% agreement. I originally wrote "attaining" (as in aspiring) but (without getting too deep into theology) it's not something that can be earned. Also, one can have absolute assurance when relying solely upon the perfection of a perfectly holy savior.

Re: the other...my point was that we have already moved on from Holly and that there's no need to keep dancing on her coaching grave. When (or if) the Hyams report is confirmed by named sources, I would agree with a lot of the statements being made. Even then, though, a single comment would be enough to express disapproval. Dwelling on this just makes the fan base look bad, and we only have one side of the story at this point...and that's only a "sort of one side" given that the source isn't named.

And, yeah, I know that these sort of reports get thrown out all the time coming from anonymous sources. Sometimes they turn out to be true; sometimes not; sometimes only partially true. In this case, though, the description of what happened in the meeting leaves an ugly lasting impression of Warlick's character, not just her coaching competence. IMO, that's serious enough that sources need to be named or Hyams should never have released the statement.

If it bothers anyone, I would suggest message boards are not suitable for them. They should probably spend time elsewhere.

 

[Old Geezer]

Holly needs a therapist

Why do you need to demonize a failed coach? Does it make you feel better to paint Holly as a villain or bad person rather than an unsuccessful coach?
Why do you assume the worst motives or behavior?
Classless.

 

[Tennesseefan2019]

Why do you need to demonize a failed coach? Does it make you feel better to paint Holly as a villain or bad person rather than an unsuccessful coach?
Why do you assume the worst motives or behavior?
Classless.

Because a sh*tload of head coaches act like that when they get canned

 

[T_Vol376]

Because a sh*tload of head coaches act like that when they get canned

Nobody really knows how she’s acted. If you weren’t there, you don’t know. I hope her replacement is hired soon .

 

[VolBall09]

Nobody really knows how she’s acted. If you weren’t there, you don’t know. I hope her replacement is hired soon .

Oh please. Give it up. That fact that she didn’t make a statement to the fans in general is classless as well. They have supported her for 38 years and she was lucky to still have anyone in TBA the last two seasons. Seems to me she’s ungrateful for everything the program did for her. Not the other way around.

 

[TenUhSee]

Why do you need to demonize a failed coach? Does it make you feel better to paint Holly as a villain or bad person rather than an unsuccessful coach?
Why do you assume the worst motives or behavior?
Classless.

 

[VolBall09]

Why do you need to demonize a failed coach? Does it make you feel better to paint Holly as a villain or bad person rather than an unsuccessful coach?
Why do you assume the worst motives or behavior?
Classless.

When she started trying to blame the players for everything this season I lost all respect for her.

 

[Tennesseefan2019]

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[madtownvol]

Interesting take. I think most assumed that this would be Holly's last stand and that even if other schools came calling, it was Tennessee or nothing for Holly. But under the right circumstances and a lot of self-reflection, it's possible that the coaching bug might still bite her, a floundering school might welcome her experience, she might be able to swallow her pride and take on a challenge, and she might be stubborn enough and have the fire to prove her detractors wrong.

That's a tall order, especially at her age, but not totally impossible. If Holly can be successful elsewhere, more power to her. Maybe some of her most severe detractors can eventually partially forgive her. I wasn't thrilled with her succeeding Pat and lost interest in watching most games a couple of seasons ago, but I'm past ready to put this era in the rear-view mirror.

The Lady Vol program has just undergone a trouble decade...first, Pat's illness, then Holly's succession based upon assumptions and Pat's wishes, then Pat's death, and finally the quick collapse and decline after an initial leveling off as a top second-tier team. The offense has needed an upgrade since before then. It's just been a near-unprecedented situation with the dual-coaching season, etc. and hindsight makes it seem totally predictable.

Everything happens for a reason; hopefully, we've learned our lessons and can make another near-unprecedented (in WCBB) rise to prominence and major success.

The animosity expressed toward Holly seems to run pretty deep and perhaps a bit deeper than just a rational assessment of her job performance.

Let's not forget, she started out well. Let''s look at her first 3 years:

2012-2013
Holly became head coach and the team had lost 5 starters to graduation; it was predicted to be a major rebuilding year. How did she do?
27-8; SEC regular season title; lost in elite 8
Warlick named Spalding Maggie Dixon National Rookie Coach of the Year and SEC Coach of the Year

2013-2014
29-6; 2nd in SEC conference and SEC conference tournament champ; lost in sweet 16

2014-2015
30-6; tied for SEC regular season champ; lost in elite 8 (this record is doubly impressive because team leader Izzy Harrison was lost to an ACL injury during the season)

Objectively, those are three solid seasons and they were very much on par with the latter part of CPS's career. As we know, things took a down turn after that. During these good years, however, there was still a very vocal group of fans who railed that Holly was completely incompetent, put her hands on her hips too much (a pose that Kellie Jolly Harper also likes BTW), and that she never deserved the job!

Now per KJH, her advocates are saying that she is Pat's perfect replacement because she is in the family and had been a star PG for CPS. You could have made the same case for Holly back in 2012. One difference is that Harper has been a head coach at several schools whereas Holly was a life long assistant.

That difference is noteworthy but I wonder if Holly had been thin, pretty, and hetero if she might have won more fans over with her reasonable degree of success during the first half of her head coaching tenure and then been less demonized in her second-phase failure.

 

[madtownvol]

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These guys applaud you!

 

[T_Vol376]

Oh please. Give it up. That fact that she didn’t make a statement to the fans in general is classless as well. They have supported her for 38 years and she was lucky to still have anyone in TBA the last two seasons. Seems to me she’s ungrateful for everything the program did for her. Not the other way around.

Oh please YOU give it up and MOVE ON. I hope we know by next week who the replacement is.

 

[Sudden Impact]

At this point who cares?
Holly is gone. (Fact) Holly should be Gone (Fact)
Holly did not talk to the team before or after (unknown)
Holly threw a fit in mtg (Unknown but may Have based on issues and the fact it was mentioned)
Holly should have been retained a job in AD...No but opinion. I would not do it....
Holly could not maintain the Standard and failed doing so. (Fact)
Holly blamed the players to much and did not accept responsibility for the teams failure (Fact)
Holly had a plan for the upcoming year which would not work because it was too little to late and tooooo much drama which was not needed.....
Title IX maybe in play if Holly finds a way to do it....

 

[bobkitten]

There is no Title IX issue here.

 

[Sudden Impact]

There is no Title IX issue here.

JK regarding title IX however Desperate People do Desperate Things and you never know when lawyers get involved.....

So many faucets to flip headlines and justice these days.....She sounds like a scorned woman with zero interests in doing what's best for the University but doing what's best for her only....

 

[BreatheUT]

All jokes aside and I think most have gotten them in, I think it's time to let this thread go. This is my last post on this one.

 

[madtownvol]

JK regarding title IX however Desperate People do Desperate Things and you never know when lawyers get involved.....

So many faucets to flip headlines and justice these days.....She sounds like a scorned woman with zero interests in doing what's best for the University but doing what's best for her only....

You might want to look up how title IX works and what issues it covers before, like many others on this board, posting nonsense about imagined legal actions.

Holly's contract had something like 36 "just cause" provisions that could be invoked as a reason for her dismal. Phil firing Holly for underperforming is not a title IX issue; if Phil decided to cut the LVs program to divert more money to football, that would be a Title IX matter.

Also did you know (a rhetorical question because I know you don't) that the percentage of men head coaches in Women's college basketball has significantly increased in the Title IX era, which also means that the % of women coaches has gone down?

 

[Sudden Impact]

Thanks for the research.....Just Kidding.....but lawyers are paid to find the lawsuit...
People will sue for anything...Not worry about title IX....or her contract...She is gone....
Don't really care about the drama, either...It was time for HW to go and she is gone....

 

[VolBall09]

The animosity expressed toward Holly seems to run pretty deep and perhaps a bit deeper than just a rational assessment of her job performance.

Let's not forget, she started out well. Let''s look at her first 3 years:

2012-2013
Holly became head coach and the team had lost 5 starters to graduation; it was predicted to be a major rebuilding year. How did she do?
27-8; SEC regular season title; lost in elite 8
Warlick named Spalding Maggie Dixon National Rookie Coach of the Year and SEC Coach of the Year

2013-2014
29-6; 2nd in SEC conference and SEC conference tournament champ; lost in sweet 16

2014-2015
30-6; tied for SEC regular season champ; lost in elite 8 (this record is doubly impressive because team leader Izzy Harrison was lost to an ACL injury during the season)

Objectively, those are three solid seasons and they were very much on par with the latter part of CPS's career. As we know, things took a down turn after that. During these good years, however, there was still a very vocal group of fans who railed that Holly was completely incompetent, put her hands on her hips too much (a pose that Kellie Jolly Harper also likes BTW), and that she never deserved the job!

Now per KJH, her advocates are saying that she is Pat's perfect replacement because she is in the family and had been a star PG for CPS. You could have made the same case for Holly back in 2012. One difference is that Harper has been a head coach at several schools whereas Holly was a life long assistant.

That difference is noteworthy but I wonder if Holly had been thin, pretty, and hetero if she might have won more fans over with her reasonable degree of success during the first half of her head coaching tenure and then been less demonized in her second-phase failure.

Don’t forget that Pat was still at practice those first few seasons as Head Coach Emeritus. You can’t discount the impact she had just being in the room. I’ve heard recently too that she was still mainly running practice and teams tend to play how they practice. As soon as she was completely out of the picture the wheels started coming off.

As for Harper. It’s was pretty easy to be a star point guard when you had the 3 Meeks around you.

 

[Remy]

The animosity expressed toward Holly seems to run pretty deep and perhaps a bit deeper than just a rational assessment of her job performance.

Let's not forget, she started out well. Let''s look at her first 3 years:

2012-2013
Holly became head coach and the team had lost 5 starters to graduation; it was predicted to be a major rebuilding year. How did she do?
27-8; SEC regular season title; lost in elite 8
Warlick named Spalding Maggie Dixon National Rookie Coach of the Year and SEC Coach of the Year

2013-2014
29-6; 2nd in SEC conference and SEC conference tournament champ; lost in sweet 16

2014-2015
30-6; tied for SEC regular season champ; lost in elite 8 (this record is doubly impressive because team leader Izzy Harrison was lost to an ACL injury during the season)

Objectively, those are three solid seasons and they were very much on par with the latter part of CPS's career. As we know, things took a down turn after that. During these good years, however, there was still a very vocal group of fans who railed that Holly was completely incompetent, put her hands on her hips too much (a pose that Kellie Jolly Harper also likes BTW), and that she never deserved the job!

Now per KJH, her advocates are saying that she is Pat's perfect replacement because she is in the family and had been a star PG for CPS. You could have made the same case for Holly back in 2012. One difference is that Harper has been a head coach at several schools whereas Holly was a life long assistant.

That difference is noteworthy but I wonder if Holly had been thin, pretty, and hetero if she might have won more fans over with her reasonable degree of success during the first half of her head coaching tenure and then been less demonized in her second-phase failure.

So, it surprises you that the young women who actually experienced first hand coaching from Pat continued to do well the three following years after she left?

 

[madtownvol]

So, it surprises you that the young women who actually experienced first hand coaching from Pat continued to do well the three following years after she left?

No. I have discussed that correlation in other posts; that does not change the fact that Holly was holding the ship quite steady and was not embraced by a segment of the fan base. FYI, changing the subject is not a counter argument.