Holly

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1CHATTVOL said:
I like that you feel so enlightened now. *Angels sing*

I dislike Northern attitudes... especially those where Northerners are smugly convinced they're right when really they've just accepted pompous as a disguise for ignorance.

If you've been anti-Summitt for 15 years, it's time to find a new team because you were never a fan of this one anyway.
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It takes perseverance to slam the program for a decade or more so I doubt he/she will go anywhere. Best to just consider the source and ignore. Unfortunately a byproduct of Internet forums is anonymity
 
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I love TN sports and I feel that a lot of the posting on this site are from individuals who really don't love Tennessee. To run a program down like I have seen on this website is destructive and does not benefit anyone. I have seen how a rush to get rid of a coach can have a devastating effect on a program, ask UT Football. Holly cannot play and if you don't want to compete there is nothing any coach can do, let alone a coach that doesn't have a bench to sub out the problem. I hope that we as Tennessee Fans will remember that words have power and Fans support their team even when they are down. I hope volnation can see that loyalty is a characteristic that should be exhibited by all including the fan. If the coach should be fired allow those that are qualified to make that decision to make it. Shooting at Holly, a true vol, is not what Pat would do. :)
 
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LadyVol1908 said:
FACTS on the Summitt part.
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I live in the South. See you at Cracker Barrel?

I don't slam the program. I point out persistent problems that are never addressed--basketball problems
and, most definitely, coaching problems. It's not like it takes a genius to see them. They have been apparent for years.
The program has deteriorated, starting at least a decade ago. That's why we are getting seedings of 7 and 5 in the SEC these days after
dominating it for 20 years. The way you get better is to make necessary changes--not pretend, year after year, that they
don't exist as the program continues to flounder.
 
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Well. I don't think she needs to be fired.

However, she needs to take a coaching seminar or something. She needs to become a better coach!

Her players don't respect her and that my friend is very hard to fix, hopefully these freshman, don't need motivation but they will need a structure of excellence and greatness and I'm not sure if Holly has that in her, cos from the product on the floor last two year with her own players. ugh! I'm torn but I will support her as long as she is head coach but after next year Cedes, Diamond and Nared leave, things will get dicey

I don't know why I can't get them to play hard, I don't know which team is going to show up, cos they don't respect you or your processes.
 
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Pat4life said:
Well. I don't think she needs to be fired.

However, she needs to take a coaching seminar or something. She needs to become a better coach!

Her players don't respect her and that my friend is very hard to fix, hopefully these freshman, don't need motivation but they will need a structure of excellence and greatness and I'm not sure if Holly has that in her, cos from the product on the floor last two year with her own players. ugh! I'm torn but I will support her as long as she is head coach but after next year Cedes, Diamond and Nared leave, things will get dicey

I don't know why I can't get them to play hard, I don't know which team is going to show up, cos they don't respect you or your processes.
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A coach of the lady vols should not need a coaching seminar to be good at job. How did she get the job then? Stupid post, fire her immediately.
 
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smokey0625 said:
A coach of the lady vols should not need a coaching seminar to be good at job. How did she get the job then? Stupid post, fire her immediately.
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Well it takes a stupid person to identify a stupid post. Hello my friend. lol wuteva.


Coaches attend clinics or seminars all the time. See, now who's stupid. :thud:
 
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Pat4life said:
Well it takes a stupid person to identify a stupid post. Hello my friend. lol wuteva.


Coaches attend clinics or seminars all the time. See, now who's stupid. :thud:
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Pat ran the clinics she attended. Also, is your first comment really correct? Will a stupid person identify a stupid comment?
 
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Pat4life said:
Well. I don't think she needs to be fired.

However, she needs to take a coaching seminar or something. She needs to become a better coach!

Her players don't respect her and that my friend is very hard to fix, hopefully these freshman, don't need motivation but they will need a structure of excellence and greatness and I'm not sure if Holly has that in her, cos from the product on the floor last two year with her own players. ugh! I'm torn but I will support her as long as she is head coach but after next year Cedes, Diamond and Nared leave, things will get dicey

I don't know why I can't get them to play hard, I don't know which team is going to show up, cos they don't respect you or your processes.
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You were right with your big point: The players don't respect the coach. That's the biggest red flag there is, and precisely why she needs to be sacked. We've lot a bunch of games over the last three/four years, and usually the cause is the team not playing hard--Warlick says it herself after the game: Scratches her head and has no explanation for lousy effort. The explanation is that the team/players do not respond to her. You don't gain respect by going to a coaching seminar! That made me laugh. She's almost 60 years old, she's been a coach for 30 years. She doesn't have the personality/leadership qualities/smarts to be a good coach. Going to a seminar is not going to change anything. We need to turn the page on the Summit era. It would be nice if there was a great Summit protege out there now, coaching another team, ready to take over the Vols, but I don't see it. We should hire the coach at Princeton--she is impressive in every way. We're just wasting years right now.
 
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smokey0625 said:
A coach of the lady vols should not need a coaching seminar to be good at job. How did she get the job then? Stupid post, fire her immediately.
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For the life of me I can't figure out how she did not learn from the late GREAT PAT! She was right there as long as Pat was. I keep thinking she will revert to her teachings. I don't know. Just don't know!
 
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smokey0625 said:
Pat ran the clinics she attended. Also, is your first comment really correct? Will a stupid person identify a stupid comment?
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Not all of them.... she definitely went and tried to gain more knowledge...it's what good coaches do.
 
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Pat4life said:
Well. I don't think she needs to be fired.

However, she needs to take a coaching seminar or something. She needs to become a better coach!

Her players don't respect her and that my friend is very hard to fix, hopefully these freshman, don't need motivation but they will need a structure of excellence and greatness and I'm not sure if Holly has that in her, cos from the product on the floor last two year with her own players. ugh! I'm torn but I will support her as long as she is head coach but after next year Cedes, Diamond and Nared leave, things will get dicey

I don't know why I can't get them to play hard, I don't know which team is going to show up, cos they don't respect you or your processes.
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She is not getting the job done yet but the players definitely respect her.
 
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armchair said:
You were right with your big point: The players don't respect the coach. That's the biggest red flag there is, and precisely why she needs to be sacked. We've lot a bunch of games over the last three/four years, and usually the cause is the team not playing hard--Warlick says it herself after the game: Scratches her head and has no explanation for lousy effort. The explanation is that the team/players do not respond to her. You don't gain respect by going to a coaching seminar! That made me laugh. She's almost 60 years old, she's been a coach for 30 years. She doesn't have the personality/leadership qualities/smarts to be a good coach. Going to a seminar is not going to change anything. We need to turn the page on the Summit era. It would be nice if there was a great Summit protege out there now, coaching another team, ready to take over the Vols, but I don't see it. We should hire the coach at Princeton--she is impressive in every way. We're just wasting years right now.
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It's a shame so many here are critical of you as a person instead of arguing the points you make. I personally agree with most of what you say.

Yes, the Princeton coach is a great one. However, I doubt she would be interested in coming to Tennessee. She's an Ivy League/New England person to the core. Dartmouth grad, coached high school ball in Virginia, and went back to coach at Dartmouth before Princeton.The culture shock would be too extreme for a person like Banghart IMO.

I think Tennessee's best bet would be a young coach with promise that could somehow rebuild the program. There may not be such a person out there because and if there is, it would take time to bring the program back from the brink.

In the past, let's face it, recruits came to UT because they wanted to play for Pat. It was Pat's program, not Tennessee's. The facilities, the reputation, the fans - all Pat. No one will be replacing her any time soon, but the longer it takes to make a coaching move, the harder it will be to get back on track.
 
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Besti said:
It's a shame so many here are critical of you as a person instead of arguing the points you make. I personally agree with most of what you say.

Yes, the Princeton coach is a great one. However, I doubt she would be interested in coming to Tennessee. She's an Ivy League/New England person to the core. Dartmouth grad, coached high school ball in Virginia, and went back to coach at Dartmouth before Princeton.The culture shock would be too extreme for a person like Banghart IMO.

I think Tennessee's best bet would be a young coach with promise that could somehow rebuild the program. There may not be such a person out there because and if there is, it would take time to bring the program back from the brink.

In the past, let's face it, recruits came to UT because they wanted to play for Pat. It was Pat's program, not Tennessee's. The facilities, the reputation, the fans - all Pat. No one will be replacing her any time soon, but the longer it takes to make a coaching move, the harder it will be to get back on track.
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Pretty sure if there are no FFs with this class Warlick recruited -- she will be gone --
 
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We don't need to rebuild the program. It's built. We have the players, the facilities, the resources and the commitment to be a F4 team now. We just need to elevate the coaching and bring all the pieces together. Holly either gets it done... or Currie will find someone who will. Eventually.
 
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Pat has a coaching tree and we will see what Fargas does now that she is landing Top recruits at LSU and what Nicky Mcray does restoring ODU, and there are other former Lady Vols who could prove of value in the coaching ranks. I am also not against coaches outside of the Pat tree but I rather it be a young up and coming coach who shows promise at a smaller program with smaller resources.
 
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The players respect her as Holly, cos Holly is a good person but they do not respect her as head coach Holly otherwise the record and/or level of play would be different.

She not demanding excellence and its evident with their play.

I back Pat and roll with Holly, just a lil slower than normal.
 
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volbeast33 said:
She is not getting the job done yet but the players definitely respect her.
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The players respect her as Holly, cos Holly is a good person but they do not respect her as head coach Holly otherwise the record and/or level of play would be different.

She not demanding excellence and its evident with their play.

I back Pat and roll with Holly, just a lil slower than normal.
 
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LA Vol said:
We don't need to rebuild the program. It's built. We have the players, the facilities, the resources and the commitment to be a F4 team now. We just need to elevate the coaching and bring all the pieces together. Holly either gets it done... or Currie will find someone who will. Eventually.
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By rebuild I meant get the respect it once had and where it stands now relative to other schools compared with the past.

Arenas like the Yum Center, uconn's new practice facility, Texas' building a new on campus basketball facility, and infrastructure improvements at other schools are now more competitive with what the Tennessee program provides. TBA is 30 years old now and although there were some upgrades about 10 years ago, people like new.
 
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People may like "new", but what they like more is winning. The university could build a brand new facility with state of the art amenities and if the men's and women's basketball teams don't perform up to fan expectations, attendance is going to be down.

South Carolina opened their arena in 2002. Attendance at the women's games didn't suddenly balloon. Elite student-athletes didn't start begging to join the team. Home attendance during the 2008-09 season averaged 2793. Home attendance during the 2015-16 season averaged 12277. The difference wasn't facilities, it was winning!

Jim
 
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CannonVol80 said:
People may like "new", but what they like more is winning. The university could build a brand new facility with state of the art amenities and if the men's and women's basketball teams don't perform up to fan expectations, attendance is going to be down.

South Carolina opened their arena in 2002. Attendance at the women's games didn't suddenly balloon. Elite student-athletes didn't start begging to join the team. Home attendance during the 2008-09 season averaged 2793. Home attendance during the 2015-16 season averaged 12277. The difference wasn't facilities, it was winning!

Jim
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As ever 💯% right on.
Thanks, Jim.
 
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