Homicide Rates

[Vol8188]

I’ve been curious about the disproportionate homicide rates for awhile and the causes. Currently black Americans represent approximately 13% of the population but over 50% of the homicides and commit homicide around 10x the rate of white Americans.

The obvious question is why? Some would argue poverty but I’ve never bought that. It went against my experiences growing up dirt poor in Appalachia and it doesn’t seem to fit the data.

I’ve seen other claims such as the war on drugs. Granted I oppose the war on drugs, but drug use, abuse, and trafficking rates seem to be fairly similar.

The only explanations I’ve seen with any data behind them that make sense are the single mother rate and the claim of under policing of black neighborhoods. Here’s also an interesting article I found on the topic.

It would be cool if we could have an actual data driven assessment of the problem (we can’t solve problems we can’t identify) without resorting to claims of genetics and/or racism.

Racial differences in homicide rates are poorly explained by economics

 

[NEO]

1. Free slaves

2. Enact Jim Crow

3. Create a system that is not equal but separate for roughly 100.

4. Flood the inner city with drugs

5. Pass abortion laws and allow free abortion with clinics in the inner cities

6. Enact strong crime laws that put low level offenders away for decades

7. Destroy the nuclear family

8. Pass laws that state the country is racist and then begin drilling into society that it is inherently racist and only affirmative action etc will allow blacks to succeed.

9. Humiliate any AA who disagrees and tell them “they aren’t black.”

10. Pretend the crime isn’t a big deal and blame the guns and not the cause. Then decriminalize true crime and no cash bail to allow repeat offenders to keep terrorizing their community.


That’s my top 10.

 

[Vol8188]

1. Free slaves

2. Enact Jim Crow

3. Create a system that is not equal but separate for roughly 100.

4. Flood the inner city with drugs

5. Pass abortion laws and allow free abortion with clinics in the inner cities

6. Enact strong crime laws that put low level offenders away for decades

7. Destroy the nuclear family

8. Pass laws that state the country is racist and then begin drilling into society that it is inherently racist and only affirmative action etc will allow blacks to succeed.

9. Humiliate any AA who disagrees and tell them “they aren’t black.”

10. Pretend the crime isn’t a big deal and blame the guns and not the cause. Then decriminalize true crime and no cash bail to allow repeat offenders to keep terrorizing their community.


That’s my top 10.

10 is a big reason for my fascination with this topic. Chicago for example will blame the guns but the guns aren’t a problem in the neighborhoods Chicago claims are supplying the guns

 

[Devo182]

Childhood poverty 3x higher than whites.

Now War on Drugs throws fathers all over the place in jail for silly crimes.

Now enforce steteotypes via mass media and inherent and subconscious racism countrywide.

Now have people hire blacks at a lower rate with equal resumes. Especially if one has a stereotypically "black name".

Now flood in mass, aggressive drugs into concentrated, poor neighborhoods.

Now enforce gangs by pushing the war on drugs, segregated schools and privatization.


It's long and complicated and even multivariate analysis is likely not going to pin it down when it is CULTURAL AND SUBCONSCIOUS.

There is also a high correlation between violence, being incarcerated, and being religious. Now who are the most religious in America are - Southerners and African Americans. The 2 highest correlators to both poverty and crime. But nobody wants to talk about that one.

 

[davethevol]

The glorification of gangster rap has played a large part. Once kids started seeing the videos on MTV in the 90’s, it really took off.

 

[Vol8188]

Childhood poverty 3x higher than whites.

Now War on Drugs throws fathers all over the place in jail for silly crimes.

Now enforce steteotypes via mass media and inherent and subconscious racism countrywide.

Now have people hire blacks at a lower rate with equal resumes. Especially if one has a stereotypically "black name".

Now flood in mass, aggressive drugs into concentrated, poor neighborhoods.

Now enforce gangs by pushing the war on drugs, segregated schools and privatization.


It's long and complicated and even multivariate analysis is likely not going to pin it down when it is CULTURAL AND SUBCONSCIOUS.

Adjusting for poverty doesn’t even out the numbers. Poor white neighborhoods don’t have anywhere near the same problem.

The idea of subconscious bias is pseudoscience. And if anything the media intentionally doesn’t tell you now if an offender is black. Like the van in Wisconsin that killed so many people

Anyone can find work in this county.

Plenty of drugs in poor white areas.

Privatization of what?

Any schools that are segregated today are by choice. You can find low income housing in plenty of great school districts. Oak ridge is a great example.

People killing each other is subconscious? I don’t understand that. And what do you mean by claiming the problem is cultural?

 

[Vol8188]

The glorification of gangster rap has played a large part. Once kids started seeing the videos on MTV in the 90’s, it really took off.

Seems the problem was already present and they just spoke openly about it

 

[Vol8188]

There is also a high correlation between violence, being incarcerated, and being religious. Now who are the most religious in America are - Southerners and African Americans. The 2 highest correlators to both poverty and crime. But nobody wants to talk about that one.

This is interesting. Ice cream sales are correlated with sharks attacks too.

Explain to me how religion, in your opinion, how religion leads to crime?

 

[NEO]

10 is a big reason for my fascination with this topic. Chicago for example will blame the guns but the guns aren’t a problem in the neighborhoods Chicago claims are supplying the guns

Dems don’t want to actually fix it.

They want to keep the AA community at roughly 13 to 15 percent and on welfare and believing that without the Dems the Republicans will let them starve or die by police brutality.

Anything over 15 percent will get murdered, aborted, or incarcerated by the systems they have put in place.

High enough number to sway votes but not high enough to force or warrant real change.

 

[davethevol]

Seems the problem was already present and they just spoke openly about it

It was present, but then all of the sudden it went from an inner city issue to small Tennessee town issue. I watched it happen. The West Coast gangs used it as a marketing tool.

 

[SamRebel35]

Fatherless homes is a major direct cause. Fathers are meant to prepare a kid for the harsh nature of the real world. Without a father to teach them, the harsh world becomes the teacher, and with devastating consequences. Now, what caused the fatherless homes? That's very much up for debate.

Jim Crow, while horrible and evil, does not correlate with fatherlessness and poverty the way you might expect. The first 100 years after emancipation, the black American community experienced unprecedented economic advancements and families remained intact.

There's undoubtedly some blame to lay at the feet of the war on drugs and probable biases in the judicial system. A lot of fathers were taken away from black families due to incarceration.

But I think too little is made of the "War on Poverty". People respond to incentives. We are simple in that regard. The poor were incentivized to replace fathers with government support. It happened disproportionately in the black community because blacks were disproportionately poor (even after a hundred years of unprecedented economic advancement), but it still happened in non-black poor communities as well. The rate of fatherless homes has increased every decade for every race. And we're seeing a lot of really bad artifacts in our culture due to that fact.

 

[LouderVol]

The glorification of gangster rap has played a large part. Once kids started seeing the videos on MTV in the 90’s, it really took off.

That darn rock and roll. Cant have Elvis rolling his hips on the radio.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

1. Free slaves

2. Enact Jim Crow

3. Create a system that is not equal but separate for roughly 100.

4. Flood the inner city with drugs

5. Pass abortion laws and allow free abortion with clinics in the inner cities

6. Enact strong crime laws that put low level offenders away for decades

7. Destroy the nuclear family

8. Pass laws that state the country is racist and then begin drilling into society that it is inherently racist and only affirmative action etc will allow blacks to succeed.

9. Humiliate any AA who disagrees and tell them “they aren’t black.”

10. Pretend the crime isn’t a big deal and blame the guns and not the cause. Then decriminalize true crime and no cash bail to allow repeat offenders to keep terrorizing their community.


That’s my top 10.

Well, you about covered it.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Adjusting for poverty doesn’t even out the numbers. Poor white neighborhoods don’t have anywhere near the same problem.

If these white liberals and globalists have their way, you will soon be seeing the devolution of the larger white society in the next few decades. They have already ravaged the lower income whites with opioids and we are starting to see whites embrace the same tools that broke up the black families, mainly no fault divorce, single motherhood, a corrupt child support system and welfare. There is no incentive for women to raise a family with a man if they are able to get welfare and/or divorce rape a man and get cash and prizes afterwards. Women are incentivized to marry the govt and rely on the govt to be their husband, protector, provider, etc.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It was present, but then all of the sudden it went from an inner city issue to small Tennessee town issue. I watched it happen. The West Coast gangs used it as a marketing tool.

Do you really think the West coast gangs manipulated this and spread the gangster culture... or do you think it was a far more sinister plan coordinated by people far removed from the cities of Compton and Watts?

 

[Vol8188]

If these white liberals and globalists have their way, you will soon be seeing the devolution of the larger white society in the next few decades. They have already ravaged the lower income whites with opioids and we are starting to see whites embrace the same tools that broke up the black families, mainly no fault divorce, single motherhood, a corrupt child support system and welfare. There is no incentive for women to raise a family with a man if they are able to get welfare and/or divorce rape a man and get cash and prizes afterwards. Women are incentivized to marry the govt and rely on the govt to be their husband, protector, provider, etc.

That last sentence of yours sums up the problem well from what I've seen. Between the sexual revolution and expansion of the welfare state we have created an American culture (neither a black nor white thing) that has deemphasized the role of the father in the family and resulted in horrific outcomes across the board (poverty, violent crime, lower education rates, decreases across all measures of educational outcomes, etc).

Single parent households are probably the worst epidemic in our culture and the left wing of our society has zero concern about it.

I doubt there's a single factor we can point to that has worse outcomes.

 

[ButchPlz]

I'm fairly certain there are some observations of both elephants and different types of apes where the ones that were not raised with fathers (or other strong male leadership) never "learned the ropes" and ended up highly destructive either to the human settlements around them (where before the male leadership would educate the younger ones not to destroy things) or to other "tribes" (or whatever you'd like to call it) that they encountered.

 

[Majors]

1. Free slaves

2. Enact Jim Crow

3. Create a system that is not equal but separate for roughly 100.

4. Flood the inner city with drugs

5. Pass abortion laws and allow free abortion with clinics in the inner cities

6. Enact strong crime laws that put low level offenders away for decades

7. Destroy the nuclear family

8. Pass laws that state the country is racist and then begin drilling into society that it is inherently racist and only affirmative action etc will allow blacks to succeed.

9. Humiliate any AA who disagrees and tell them “they aren’t black.”

10. Pretend the crime isn’t a big deal and blame the guns and not the cause. Then decriminalize true crime and no cash bail to allow repeat offenders to keep terrorizing their community.


That’s my top 10.

Strong list... I go back to #5 and #7 to me as the root cause. You don't see Planned Parenthood in the middle class parts of town. Just like you don't see pawn shops, quick cash or liquor stores on the same block in West Knoxville. #7, starts at home. If you don't like the result, change the dynamic of single parent homes.

90's entertainment from movies and rap songs told the story. It was a documentary in movies and poetry in songs to how the world truly was in the inner cities. Not enough people paid attention to Boyz N The Hood.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

90's entertainment from movies and rap songs told the story. It was a documentary in movies and poetry in songs to how the world truly was in the inner cities. Not enough people paid attention to Boyz N The Hood.

That movie literally told the tale of so many kids raised in the black community. Remember that in the movie, the son was being raised by his mom, but as he got to be older, the mom could not handle and control him so she sent him over to his father. But by this point, the boy is a teenage and harder to get on the straight and narrow path. No different than what I see in most of my family members. No different than what happened with Trayvon Martin.

 

[n_huffhines]

1. Free slaves

2. Enact Jim Crow

3. Create a system that is not equal but separate for roughly 100.

4. Flood the inner city with drugs

5. Pass abortion laws and allow free abortion with clinics in the inner cities

6. Enact strong crime laws that put low level offenders away for decades

7. Destroy the nuclear family

8. Pass laws that state the country is racist and then begin drilling into society that it is inherently racist and only affirmative action etc will allow blacks to succeed.

9. Humiliate any AA who disagrees and tell them “they aren’t black.”

10. Pretend the crime isn’t a big deal and blame the guns and not the cause. Then decriminalize true crime and no cash bail to allow repeat offenders to keep terrorizing their community.


That’s my top 10.

That's funny because that's usually used to explain why crime dropped.

 

[Majors]

That movie literally told the tale of so many kids raised in the black community. Remember that in the movie, the son was being raised by his mom, but as he got to be older, the mom could not handle and control him so she sent him over to his father. But by this point, the boy is a teenage and harder to get on the straight and narrow path. No different than what I see in most of my family members. No different than what happened with Trayvon Martin.

In LA a few years ago with my daughter for softball and we drove down the street where all the houses were. This area was no Hollywood sound stage, it was exactly how the movie looked.

 

[Vol8188]

That's funny because that's usually used to explain why crime dropped.

There’s been solid rebuttals to that claim from Freakonomics. Seems to be more correlation than causation.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

This video was made in 1986 I believe. All you have to do is look at the first minute and see the problem. And with regards to this culture spreading to the larger white society, listen to the guy at the 1:06:04 mark. This has been permeating in the black community for decades, and the white liberals/globalists/neocons/whoever were able to perfect their craft and turn this loose on the larger society. Now we are seeing this be a problem far removed from the inner cities. Not saying it will reach the levels that it is in the black community, but if things are not corrected, this will be a severe problem in the next generation...

And don't even get me started on that roundtable discussion at the very end. A complete sh^tshow and clownfest. At least two of those people (Jesse Jackson and Elenore Holmes Norton) have a lot of blood on their hands.

 

[Vol8188]

This video was made in 1986 I believe. All you have to do is look at the first minute and see the problem. And with regards to this culture spreading to the larger white society, listen to the guy at the 1:06:04 mark. This has been permeating in the black community for decades, and the white liberals/globalists/neocons/whoever were able to perfect their craft and turn this loose on the larger society. Now we are seeing this be a problem far removed from the inner cities. Not saying it will reach the levels that it is in the black community, but if things are not corrected, this will be a severe problem in the next generation...

And don't even get me started on that roundtable discussion at the very end. A complete sh^tshow and clownfest. At least two of those people (Jesse Jackson and Elenore Holmes Norton) have a lot of blood on their hands.

I don’t have time right now for the full video but I watched the two parts you mentioned.

The first minute is funny because it relates back to a conversation I had with someone on here about reproducing with better people (they were claiming their child was better off without the mother involved). It also parallels multiple others I’ve had about the importance of two parts in which they’ll respond with the equivalent of “my baby daddy ain’t $hi+” to which the obvious answer is sleep with/reproduce with better people.

And society as a whole is making this worse:

BLM openly states they want to dismantle the nuclear family (common among Marxist)

Welfare seems to be more likely to increase than decrease in the long run

Sexual promiscuity is openly promoted in the culture at much higher levels

And every answer to these problems is to never decrease single mother hood but rather make it easier (subsidize) on single mothers. Which removes the incentives for coupling in general or to care what type of person your partner is.

 

[NEO]

That's funny because that's usually used to explain why crime dropped.

You mean incarceration aspect or all aspects?